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Old 08-23-2011, 07:55 AM   #43
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I was asking because I was curious on the subject. If someone were to try to hijack your Camaro, wouldn't you want to defend yourself and your property, if you felt your life was in danger? Or you had the ability to save someone else's life?

How many criminals would bring a knife to a gun fight?
If someone wants to steal your Camaro and is not going to hurt you let them have it. It is not worth what will happen to your life if you shoot someone over a possession. You may be completely justified in shooting the person, but you will still have to hire an attorney for the Grand Jury presentation. Every shooting goes before one. Second, if you don't kill the person I can almost completely gaurantee you that you will be sued by them in civil court for damages. If you do kill them, someone in their family will sue you for damages. If you live where Castle Doctrine applies, you most likely will win the lawsuit, but only after ten's of thousands of dollars in legal bills. NOT WORTH IT. Finally, after you shoot someone you will need to get therapy. Police departments require it for a reason. I have already decided possessions are not worth a life, that is why I have insurance.

HOWEVER, if someone threatens my life or the life of my family I will fight back. That is not something that you can get back. If my kids are in the back of the Camaro there is no way they are being driven off with a car jacker. That is my line in the sand.

A gun is a strong tool in self defense, but it is the last line of defense and should only be used when you are in immediate danger. I would suggest to everyone that carries a gun to find a local IDPA club and start shooting with them. Learning how to use your gun in a defensive way is paramount to your safety and most importantly the safety of those around you. Adrenaline clouds your judgement, so shooting with IDPA helps you feel how it affects you.

Sorry for my soap box, but deciding to carry a gun moves you to a new standard in my book. That of a Sheep Hearder, and not a sheep. You have to train, learn and decide in advance when you are willing to take a life if necessary.

This is a 10 minute read, but nobody should carry a gun if they don't read this:

http://www.mwkworks.com/onsheepwolvesandsheepdogs.html
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Old 08-23-2011, 08:11 AM   #44
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This thread makes me proud to be an american. I carry a S&W .357 revolver and a Sig semi-auto. The S&W stay's loaded in the center console and the Sig is loaded beside the seat. Guns in cases or guns that are not loaded are paper weights.
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Old 08-23-2011, 08:17 AM   #45
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Commiefornia will not allow you to carry nor honor CCW's from other states. It pretty much takes an act of a deity to get a CCW in this Godless state. Each county Sheriff controls who can get one, and I don't know of any that are willing to sign off on one for a common citizen. There are "guidelines" for getting one, but I have only seen 1 average joe get one, and again, it was restricted to our county.

If I could, I would. States that allow people to act responsible have far fewer random acts of stupidity. A little common sense goes a long way, unfortunately, it has gone a long way away from far too many.

If you can take the course, by all means take it. You do not have to carry if you don't want to, but it will allow you the ability when you do. If you are not comfortable with the firearm, DO NOT CARRY IT. Spend time at a range, pay for private lessons, take firearms defense courses, etc. When you are comfortable, go for it. But if you don't take the course, you won't have that option.

Check out Front Sight. They have a free email list that will send you "training tips" and videos. Unfortunately, they also solicit quite a bit, but you can quickly figure out which emails to delete and which ones to read.

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Old 08-23-2011, 08:17 AM   #46
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If someone wants to steal your Camaro and is not going to hurt you let them have it. It is not worth what will happen to your life if you shoot someone over a possession. You may be completely justified in shooting the person, but you will still have to hire an attorney for the Grand Jury presentation. Every shooting goes before one. Second, if you don't kill the person I can almost completely gaurantee you that you will be sued by them in civil court for damages. If you do kill them, someone in their family will sue you for damages. If you live where Castle Doctrine applies, you most likely will win the lawsuit, but only after ten's of thousands of dollars in legal bills. NOT WORTH IT. Finally, after you shoot someone you will need to get therapy. Police departments require it for a reason. I have already decided possessions are not worth a life, that is why I have insurance.

HOWEVER, if someone threatens my life or the life of my family I will fight back. That is not something that you can get back. If my kids are in the back of the Camaro there is no way they are being driven off with a car jacker. That is my line in the sand.

A gun is a strong tool in self defense, but it is the last line of defense and should only be used when you are in immediate danger. I would suggest to everyone that carries a gun to find a local IDPA club and start shooting with them. Learning how to use your gun in a defensive way is paramount to your safety and most importantly the safety of those around you. Adrenaline clouds your judgement, so shooting with IDPA helps you feel how it affects you.

Sorry for my soap box, but deciding to carry a gun moves you to a new standard in my book. That of a Sheep Hearder, and not a sheep. You have to train, learn and decide in advance when you are willing to take a life if necessary.

This is a 10 minute read, but nobody should carry a gun if they don't read this:

http://www.mwkworks.com/onsheepwolvesandsheepdogs.html
I have to agreed with everything you said. But, it would be very hard for people to control themselves to let their material things go if they have a gun on them. I don't know If I could do it.
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Old 08-23-2011, 08:46 AM   #47
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Carry all day everyday. No matter where I go. I keep one of my XD's on my person and one of my Rock River Ar 15's in the trunk. ****ed, locked, and ready to rock.
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Old 08-23-2011, 08:47 AM   #48
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I was asking because I was curious on the subject. If someone were to try to hijack your Camaro, wouldn't you want to defend yourself and your property, if you felt your life was in danger? Or you had the ability to save someone else's life?

How many criminals would bring a knife to a gun fight?
This is one of the main reasons I got my CC Permit, When I got my car I wanted to make sure if someone did try to car jack me they would be sorry. Also being a woman there is a definate need these days to be able to protect yourself and your family. I carry a SW 340 airlite at all times in my purse,I currently have the .38's in it because the .357's hurt my hand to shoot more than once,so I want to make sure I can shoot repeatedly if necessary. However; I'm a pretty good shot so ONE should do the trick lol!
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Old 08-23-2011, 09:48 AM   #49
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In MS your vehicle is considered an extension of your home. In other words you can have one chambered and ready to go in your car. So I do. I carry my Glock 22, .40S&W with one in the pipe. Yea, its a little large to carry in the car but if someone tries to car jack me or anything else I've got 15 .40 cal rounds to stop him. I also have a concealed so I can carry it when I travel back home to FL.
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Old 08-23-2011, 09:57 AM   #50
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A Special Forces buddy of mine had it on his FB page. I thought you might enjoy this:

Concealed Weapons Permit

"The Texas Department of Public Safety Officer pulled over a Marine for a weapons check because of an NRA bumper sticker.

When the officer approached the vehicle, the Marine behind the wheel handed the officer his driver's license, insurance card and concealed carry permit.

The officer took all the documents, looked them over and said. "Sir, I see you have a CCP. Do you have any weapons with you?"

The Marine replied, Yes I do. I have a 357 handgun in a hip holster, a .45 in the glove box and a .22 derringer in my boot."

The officer looked at the Marine and asked, "Anything else?"

"Yes. I have a Mossberg 500 12-gauge and an AR-15 in the back."

The officer asked the Marine if he was driving to or from a shooting range and the Marine said no he wasn't.

The officer then bent over and looked into the Marines face and said "Sir, you are carrying quite a few guns. May I ask what you are afraid of?"

The Marine locked eyes with the officer and calmly answered: "NOT A DAMNED THING"
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Old 08-23-2011, 10:01 AM   #51
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A Special Forces buddy of mine had it on his FB page. I thought you might enjoy this:

Concealed Weapons Permit

"The Texas Department of Public Safety Officer pulled over a Marine for a weapons check because of an NRA bumper sticker.

When the officer approached the vehicle, the Marine behind the wheel handed the officer his driver's license, insurance card and concealed carry permit.

The officer took all the documents, looked them over and said. "Sir, I see you have a CCP. Do you have any weapons with you?"

The Marine replied, Yes I do. I have a 357 handgun in a hip holster, a .45 in the glove box and a .22 derringer in my boot."

The officer looked at the Marine and asked, "Anything else?"

"Yes. I have a Mossberg 500 12-gauge and an AR-15 in the back."

The officer asked the Marine if he was driving to or from a shooting range and the Marine said no he wasn't.

The officer then bent over and looked into the Marines face and said "Sir, you are carrying quite a few guns. May I ask what you are afraid of?"

The Marine locked eyes with the officer and calmly answered: "NOT A DAMNED THING"
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Old 08-23-2011, 11:51 AM   #52
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Old 08-23-2011, 02:39 PM   #53
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Everyday.

I figure the bad guys don't take a day off, why would I?

And yes, I have a CCW for South Carolina, and Pennsylvania. Between them, I can carry in about 30 states.....and I do.
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A Special Forces buddy of mine had it on his FB page. I thought you might enjoy this:

Concealed Weapons Permit

"The Texas Department of Public Safety Officer pulled over a Marine for a weapons check because of an NRA bumper sticker.

When the officer approached the vehicle, the Marine behind the wheel handed the officer his driver's license, insurance card and concealed carry permit.

The officer took all the documents, looked them over and said. "Sir, I see you have a CCP. Do you have any weapons with you?"

The Marine replied, Yes I do. I have a 357 handgun in a hip holster, a .45 in the glove box and a .22 derringer in my boot."

The officer looked at the Marine and asked, "Anything else?"

"Yes. I have a Mossberg 500 12-gauge and an AR-15 in the back."

The officer asked the Marine if he was driving to or from a shooting range and the Marine said no he wasn't.

The officer then bent over and looked into the Marines face and said "Sir, you are carrying quite a few guns. May I ask what you are afraid of?"

The Marine locked eyes with the officer and calmly answered: "NOT A DAMNED THING"
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If someone wants to steal your Camaro and is not going to hurt you let them have it. It is not worth what will happen to your life if you shoot someone over a possession. You may be completely justified in shooting the person, but you will still have to hire an attorney for the Grand Jury presentation. Every shooting goes before one. Second, if you don't kill the person I can almost completely gaurantee you that you will be sued by them in civil court for damages. If you do kill them, someone in their family will sue you for damages. If you live where Castle Doctrine applies, you most likely will win the lawsuit, but only after ten's of thousands of dollars in legal bills. NOT WORTH IT. Finally, after you shoot someone you will need to get therapy. Police departments require it for a reason. I have already decided possessions are not worth a life, that is why I have insurance.

HOWEVER, if someone threatens my life or the life of my family I will fight back. That is not something that you can get back. If my kids are in the back of the Camaro there is no way they are being driven off with a car jacker. That is my line in the sand.

A gun is a strong tool in self defense, but it is the last line of defense and should only be used when you are in immediate danger. I would suggest to everyone that carries a gun to find a local IDPA club and start shooting with them. Learning how to use your gun in a defensive way is paramount to your safety and most importantly the safety of those around you. Adrenaline clouds your judgement, so shooting with IDPA helps you feel how it affects you.

Sorry for my soap box, but deciding to carry a gun moves you to a new standard in my book. That of a Sheep Hearder, and not a sheep. You have to train, learn and decide in advance when you are willing to take a life if necessary.

This is a 10 minute read, but nobody should carry a gun if they don't read this:

http://www.mwkworks.com/onsheepwolvesandsheepdogs.html
Nice post.

It is important to always remember JAM… I believe this is how the saying goes if I remembered correctly…

Jeopardy – Is your or your loved ones life’s in Jeopardy?
Ability – Does the assailant have the ability to cause bodily harm or death?
Means - Does the assailant have the means to cause bodily harm or death?

If all three are present then remember to squeeze and not jerk the trigger.
If one is missing from the three then stand down.
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Old 08-23-2011, 04:40 PM   #56
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Here in CA, it's almost impossible to get a CCW.

The only place I carry is on my own property. I usually walk around the house with my G23 in a serpa holster. Not that I'm paranoid or anything. But better to have it and not need it than need it and not have it. Crime has been skyrocketing where I live. My neighbors were robbed a few months ago. Not taking any chances.
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