Drove a Mustang 5.0 Yesterday

[wbt]

Originally Posted by Jason7

exhaust and hand held tuners. all their lock in times were from 13.2-14.0 for bracket racing...

i honestly love both cars and im not trying to argue. if you dont want to believe me i honestly dont mind as everyone is entitled to their opinions. They especially got pissed off at Kaler who is a Camaro5 member, ask him... They accused us both of squeezing while our hoods were popped. I invited them to take a look.

As in my previous thread i did state that i had wished i would have taken video of their lock in times painted on their windows, it was truly sad...

JASON

Not making excuses but traction is a problem with them on stock tires for the average driver. You running drag radials? What ET's were you running?

[Jason7]

Originally Posted by GoBlue20

That'll happen every time. Take 2 cars that are close... one person who can drive and one that can't... doors usually get blown off in the race

i guess but like i said i ran consistant 2.36 60' times which is or or or or and mainly this

Jason

[Jason7]

i have nitto invos, BUT i never used the bleach box once and never even cleaned off the tires... just drove up and around and off i went... Didnt even use competative mode...nothing

JASON

[wbt]

Originally Posted by Jason7

time slips are posted yes, in the CA forum for sacramento raceway.. i went 12.9 with a 2.36 60' time so do the math...shes got a lot left if i knew how to launch it...lol

Kaler went 12.5

Both our cars have long tube headers, catless exhaust with cai intakes and he has an SCT tuner and ive got the Diablo..

I wouldn't call that a fair comparison then.

Stickier tires, full exhaust, tune, CAI.....

Put the same stuff on those 2011 GT's and you will see tail lights with a decent driver. Far from apples-to-apples.....

[Milk 1027]

Originally Posted by 08-G35s/6MT

The Camaro costs $2k more to begin with....

Every single one of your posts is full of fallacies and bad arguments. You're arguing points that the OP didn't even talk about.
I got my 1SS for 31K so it is very possible to get a 2SS for 33K. The OP pointed out all the things that the SS has STANDARD vs the GT. In fact the 38K Mustang STILL doesn't have the the standard features the 1SS or even the LS have.

[Milk 1027]

and why in the world did this turn into a racing thread. The OP mentioned nothing about the SS being faster.

Fanboyism truly is an ugly thing.

[08-G35s/6MT]

Originally Posted by Milk 1027

Every single one of your posts is full of fallacies and bad arguments. You're arguing points that the OP didn't even talk about.
I got my 1SS for 31K so it is very possible to get a 2SS for 33K. The OP pointed out all the things that the SS has STANDARD vs the GT. In fact the 38K Mustang STILL doesn't have the the standard features the 1SS or even the LS have.

Okay.... The Camaro lacks a lot of stuff the Mustang has, what's your point ? Like a full glass sunroof ? You can't have that on the Camaro even if you wanted.... The Mustang is a cheaper car(that hasn't drastically changed since 2004 when the S197 debuted) in the first place. That's not a fallacy. It has less features, it costs less. That's not a fallacy. Hell, I don't even care. Haha, that might be why my arguement has holes in it. We are arguing about subjectivity, I was trying to through some solid objectivity into the arguement(price). Yet it was shot down.

Let's compare features on a Maserati GranTurismo to a BMW 128i. An extreme example, but the more expensive car will almost always have more features. Except for many BMW's, in which features like seat heaters, nav, power seats, or real leather are all optional.

[wbt]

Originally Posted by 08-G35s/6MT

Okay.... The Camaro lacks a lot of stuff the Mustang has, what's your point ? Like a full glass sunroof ? You can't have that on the Camaro even if you wanted.... The Mustang is a cheaper car(that hasn't drastically changed since 2004 when the S197 debuted) in the first place. That's not a fallacy. It has less features, it costs less. That's not a fallacy. Hell, I don't even care. Haha, that might be why my arguement has holes in it. We are arguing about subjectivity, I was trying to through some solid objectivity into the arguement(price). Yet it was shot down.

Just an FYI:

• 2005 was the first year of the S197

• Both cars have features the other doesn't. It is called market differentiators

You are right about subjectivity. Everyone has an opinion and they are entitled to it. It doesn't make much good to argue about it however the OP did have a few items incorrect. I.E. trunk release, modern A/C controls, this Mustang chassis goes back to the Fox body design and a ton of opinion. He should expect some feedback for those items. He likes his Camaro better and there is nothing wrong with it. Nothing wrong with choices.

[08-G35s/6MT]

Originally Posted by wbt

Just an FYI:

• 2005 was the first year of the S197

• Both cars have features the other doesn't. It is called market differentiators

You are right about subjectivity. Everyone has an opinion and they are entitled to it. It doesn't make much good to argue about it however the OP did have a few items incorrect. I.E. trunk release, modern A/C controls, this Mustang chassis goes back to the Fox body design and a ton of opinion. He should expect some feedback for those items. He likes his Camaro better and there is nothing wrong with it. Nothing wrong with choices.

I was referring to the S197 debuting in 2004 as the 2005 MY.

[Jason7]

Originally Posted by wbt

I wouldn't call that a fair comparison then.

Stickier tires, full exhaust, tune, CAI.....

Put the same stuff on those 2011 GT's and you will see tail lights with a decent driver. Far from apples-to-apples.....

They all had the same mods as us thats why they came up with the CHEATER SPRAYING crap....lmao I am comparing apples to apples...
I guess i should have just taken the cobra that day i knew that this info wouldnt be good enough for mustang owners/fans, never is....
ILL SAY IT AGAIN, I OWN BOTH CARS... and ive sen this time and time again AT THE TRACK, get over it, lololol

See tailights?, your out to crazy land with an empty lunch box guy...

JASON

[camarovigoa]

All you mustank owner stop talking shit and take your little ponies to the track and stop making up excuses about getting your ass beat
Run what yuhBrung and hope you Brung enough!!!

[Jason7]

Also there was me and Kaler (2 maros) and 40 new mustangs which are a northern California car club but cant remember that name....

There is another one coming up, ill MAKE SURE to take pics of the consistent 13.4's, bit for your sake ill take into consideration my stickier tires and try to aim at a 2.50 60' time instead of a 2.36 just to even it out...lol

[wbt]

Originally Posted by Jason7

They all had the same mods as us thats why they came up with the CHEATER SPRAYING crap....lmao I am comparing apples to apples...
I guess i should have just taken the cobra that day i knew that this info wouldnt be good enough for mustang owners/fans, never is....
ILL SAY IT AGAIN, I WON BOTH CARS... and ive sen this time and time again AT THE TRACK, get over it, lololol

See tailights?, your out to crazy land with an empty lunch box guy...

JASON

Just the opposite at our track buddy. If they were running the same mods on stock tires then I would love to see what 60' times they were running with 13.4-14.0 times. It would have to be in the 3 second range. Just doesn't add up with everything that has been documented to date with the 2011+ GT even with horrible drivers.

BTW - I ran those times on stock tires, factory 3.73, horrible track and a D/A of 2,400' above SL. I am talking 0 traction and had to run with TCS on the entire evening.

Your story just doesn't add up....

[wbt]

Originally Posted by camarovigoa

All you mustank owner stop talking shit and take your little ponies to the track and stop making up excuses about getting your ass beat
Run what yuhBrung and hope you Brung enough!!!

Really?

What times have you run with your power adder Camaro?