Is Chevrolet American?

[Silver Streak]

Hey Dragoneye, is there any one with more post than you? 9530 WOW. You could be the postmaster general!

[Mr. Wyndham]

Originally Posted by Silver Streak

Hey Dragoneye, is there any one with more post than you? 9530 WOW. You could be the postmaster general!

I think TAG UR IT is slightly "ahead" of me....but....I could stop if you like.

[Milk 1027]

Originally Posted by Dragoneye

I think TAG UR IT is slightly "ahead" of me....but....I could stop if you like.

At this rate you will pass Tag, but he might get jealous and have to "out-do" you.

[DkknightX]

Hey Dragon, I was curious, are you a GM dealer or manager? I won't flame you, but considering how many people corroborate my story and went through the same pains trying to get information on the new Camaros, if dealers like you and/or CamaroScotty really know what you are talking about, you guys should be making an absolute killing in sales. Hahahaha!

[Silver Streak]

Originally Posted by Dragoneye

I think TAG UR IT is slightly "ahead" of me....but....I could stop if you like.

I would never wish that! lol. This forum would be like one big IDL thread without the great moderators here. I can't even immagine the mayhem. lol

[Mr. Wyndham]

Originally Posted by DkknightX

Hey Dragon, I was curious, are you a GM dealer or manager? I won't flame you, but considering how many people corroborate my story and went through the same pains trying to get information on the new Camaros, if dealers like you and/or CamaroScotty really know what you are talking about, you guys should be making an absolute killing in sales. Hahahaha!thumbup:

Nope. No dealer here...just an honest-to-God enthusiast with a good memory.

Originally Posted by Silver Streak

I would never wish that! lol. This forum would be like one big IDL thread without the great moderators here. I can't even immagine the mayhem. lol

Muhahahaha!!

[chadrcr]

Originally Posted by New2010CamaroLover

I think you hit one point right on the head... It is so frustrating when dealerships and sales men alike don't know anything .................................................. ......................... I'm a paramedic and if i just knew the basics on cardiac and didn't know shit on respiratory i wouldn't be a paramedic. And the sad thing is they probably make more than me, lol. I think if dealerships cleaned up this problem alone it would take them a long way.

no offense to any salesmen... But if all car salesmen had enough....um knowledge, skills or abilities to become a paramedic....
Then we would not get to have the wonderful car shopping experience that they so graciously provide....
Of course, there are those who strive to be knowledgeable, we have a couple on here.

[BowtieGuy]

Salesmen are salesmen, no matter what their product is. They aren't necessarily trained to sell cars so much as encourage people to buy them. Catch my drift?

[NAHURRY]

Louis Cheverolet= founder of Cheverolet..from Sweden.

no flaming, I KNOW cheverolet is American just thought some would
find this interesting.

[dbotsfordtat]

My two cents, its an effective marketing ploy appealing to their heritage, but really the only thing management is concerned with is the bottom line. I know the whole point of business is to make a profit but I think its kind of dishonest to market it as an American Revolution. Look at all the people on this site willing to defend GM and bash the UAW, now thats good marketing.

[PQ]

Originally Posted by DkknightX

Well, anyway, given the economy being what it is, why aren't these cars being built in the states? Part of GM's problem, along with just about every other business that sells products here in the US, is that the outsourcing is killing everybody. I'm a self-employed computer technician in New Jersey and do you know why I have a business? It is all about the service and communication, and much less about price (Within reason of course). When enthusiasts and casual buyers alike drive up to a dealership, almost 90% of the time they know what model of car they want and know what it costs before they even have a chance to open the showroom door. If it is sold correctly and all the information is correct, in order and delivered properly, again, people do not mind paying a bit more for a clean process.

I knew I wanted my 2006 Cobalt SS Supercharged and all the options before I walked in, but you know what? After I dealt with the corrupt finance manager at D & C Chevrolet in Westwood New Jersey, who kept changing numbers on me and selling me things I didn't need, simply having enough money and knowing what I wanted clearly wasn't enough. The service was horrible; their communication was horrible and having a credit rating over 800, putting almost $20K down up front and getting raped with an interest rate of 8.1% definitely pissed me off. Not suprisingly, they are out of business now, but since then many Chevrolet dealerships closed up shop in NJ. How the 2010 Camaro is being handled alone sets up this car to be the epitome of what GM is and has become over the years. Communication has been consistently horrible throughout. Less than a month before actual production and I still don't know what any of the accessories cost and if I didn't see that 21" wheels are going to cost about 5K more, even despite the R/S package, I would have gotten screwed by the dealership, been 5K poorer and came home with an extra set of 20" wheels I didn't need. Thank goodness for this forum for picking up on that or I'd be in trouble. The dealerships need all the correct information and need to be updated simultaneously. I think it is absolutely disgraceful when I called 10 dealerships about this car and I received different and conflicting information from all of them. That is inexcuseable. Buying a $40K car shouldn't be tedious work if the product is for sale. It feels more like GM is making it more a "privilege" for us to own one and that sickens me to no end. GM needs to take business and personnel cues from Toyota because when I walked into a Toyota showroom in Ramsey, NJ, my wife bought a new Corolla, wasn't spoonfed any bologna; she knew what she wanted; got an excellent rate; bought a quality car and left very pleased with her investment. I was there and watched the whole process unfold. Everybody was in sync there.

I love Chevrolet, GM, and the new Camaro. I'm still buying one without a doubt. Had it preordered since January 2nd, but I pray that I don't have to deal with any of this nonsense again like I did when I bought my Cobalt.

With that said, I really don't have an issue with Canada or any other country, but it would help the US and Chevrolet's "American Revolution" image sound and honest if Americans had those jobs. Otherwise, don't try to feed us bullshit about Chevy's American heritage. Hell, if you can build a Corvette here in the states, than find a way to build the Camaro here too. No offense to Canadians but let them develop their own vehicles and let them hire Canadians to build them. Let them help their own economy and we'll help ours. 'Nuff said. Let the flaming begin. I'm ready.

Your wifes Carolla was 'IN PRODUCTION" at the time. And by the way, those were AMERICAN salespeople you were talking to at both places. Hmmmmm......seems to me you'll get more info on a car that is in production and sitting on the lot than a car that is still a month away from being produced. And still wont have a full capacity line when they do start in a month.

I think maybe you should have named this thread, 'GM has pissed my impatient ass off' or 'I ordered a car 3 months before production and now I'm pissed'

But YES GM is American.

[The_Blur]

GM is American because it competes in the US economy and brings its tax money back to the Union. It wouldn't compete if every car were built in the US because too much money would be spent on production to turn a profit. It brings the money back to the States to fund the US federal budget. In business terms, that's pretty American.

In social circles, the joke has been taken too seriously that imports are more American than whatever comes out of Detroit. The joke is that they employ American workers so they care about Americans. With the economy the way it is, guess whose expensive workers are taking hour cuts? That would be everyone. They have their own problems in the land of the rising sun, and that means that companies from the East will send their money home before they send it to blue collar Americans. The only reason that import companies have any factories here is that they can afford it with the slave labor production they have over there, and it sells more cars here because foolish Americans will fall for the trick. What's the trick? The trick is that they'll tell us about the 3 American factories they have, and that will be enough to convince us all of their American dedication. GM will talk about all of their factories, and we won't be impressed because they should be here. It's a double standard, and most Americans are stupid enough to go for it.

Originally Posted by Tactical Z

GM is BS to me still, and no...I do love the Camaro, but Fords are the best.

It's bad enough that you joined the forum this month and have as many posts as you do, but now you claim that Ford is superior on a thread not even related to Ford. If you love Ford so much, then why did you blow so much money on a Porsche motor swap using the LS1? Why wouldn't you use the classic 5.0L or a current Mustang motor? Why didn't you buy a Mustang? Don't answer. I'll tell you why you did this. You bought a nice car for appearances and a powerful motor for speed. It's a great plan, but you have to consider what this says about you. It says that you care about appearances, and that your favorite motors are built by GM because you could have built that Porsche using any motor in the world. You probably could have afforded just about anything seeing as how your car is pretty outrageously expensive and the swap wasn't cheap. Since you care about appearances, it is clear that you're inflating your post count to look somehow better than you are. For those of us with large post counts, the number has been a joke on Camaro5, but you take it seriously. You're on a pro-GM site with a Camaro avatar and a Mustang signature. Pick your loyalties already! If you love Porsche so much and feel the need to boast that your imported luxury car has a SBC in it, then maybe that should be your picture.

Tactical Z, take a break from posting the meaningless nonsense that populates your post count. If GM is nothing to you, then maybe you should start trolling another forum.

[FenwickHockey65]

Originally Posted by The_Blur

It's bad enough that you joined the forum this month and have as many posts as you do, but now you claim that Ford is superior on a thread not even related to Ford. If you love Ford so much, then why did you blow so much money on a Porsche motor swap using the LS1? Why wouldn't you use the classic 5.0L or a current Mustang motor? Why didn't you buy a Mustang? Don't answer. I'll tell you why you did this. You bought a nice car for appearances and a powerful motor for speed. It's a great plan, but you have to consider what this says about you. It says that you care about appearances, and that your favorite motors are built by GM because you could have built that Porsche using any motor in the world. You probably could have afforded just about anything seeing as how your car is pretty outrageously expensive and the swap wasn't cheap. Since you care about appearances, it is clear that you're inflating your post count to look somehow better than you are. For those of us with large post counts, the number has been a joke on Camaro5, but you take it seriously. You're on a pro-GM site with a Camaro avatar and a Mustang signature. Pick your loyalties already! If you love Porsche so much and feel the need to boast that your imported luxury car has a SBC in it, then maybe that should be your picture.

Tactical Z, take a break from posting the meaningless nonsense that populates your post count. If GM is nothing to you, then maybe you should start trolling another forum.

He doesn't own a Cayenne. He has a diecast model and stuck an LS1 model in it.

[The_Blur]

Originally Posted by Tactical Z

GM is BS to me still, and no...I do love the Camaro, but Fords are the best.

Originally Posted by FenwickHockey65

He doesn't own a Cayenne. He has a diecast model and stuck an LS1 model in it.

Are you serious?

In my research, I'm finding that you are correct. I do not, however, retract my point that too many nonsense posts have come from the same user, and this one is evidence to the point.