Why does Ford give same engine for auto?

[mikeSS]

Originally Posted by GEEo

Cuz Ford jsut doesn't have the money and intelligence to that!!

hummmm... ford doesn't have the money when they didn't take a government bail out .. when chevy did... and ford is a great company that has allot of american jobs... you shouldnt say what you did

[Mr. Wyndham]

Originally Posted by mikeSS

does the mustang auto get a tax?

No. They even squeezed enough mpg out of the GT500 to avoid the Tax. To my knowledge, the only one of the three pony cars to get nailed with the tax is the Challenger SRT8.

Originally Posted by GEEo

Cuz Ford jsut doesn't have the money and intelligence to that!!

Not true. They invested their money in other things, that's all. Imagine if everyone did the same thing....BORRRINGGG!!!

[mikeSS]

Originally Posted by Dragoneye

No. They even squeezed enough mpg out of the GT500 to avoid the Tax. To my knowledge, the only one of the three pony cars to get nailed with the tax is the Challenger SRT8.

why cant chevy do that

[The_Blur]

Originally Posted by DjfunkmasterG

Yeah there is that too.

Still though, why screw over a group because you can't engineer a damn motor to work both ways.

Who's getting screwed? There's a lot more to winning than the numbers game. Look at the actual track times. Autos and manuals are all in the same pack.

Originally Posted by mikeSS

the l99 engine is was defiantly a mistake by GM.. i mean its a good engine.. but they should have had a option where you can get a ls3 in a auto

All companies make mistakes. The L99 is simply not one of them.

Originally Posted by SlingShot

GM does it so we don't have to pay gas guzzler tax .... After all the LS3 is available both ways on the Vette ...

The Corvette has some benefits, including weight and aerodynamics. Since the Camaro is designed to be more functional (heavier due to a back seat) and more affordable (less expensive materials), the Camaro will face different hurdles. In this case, a similarly equipped Corvette will have better fuel economy when driven the same way by the same driver in comparison to a Camaro.

Originally Posted by Dragoneye

Different companies...different methods. To my knowledge, Ford does not have a displacement on demand feature available in its powertrains. Similarly, The LS-series engine is old. Certain efficiency innovations the Mustang's engine employs are not currently available in GM engines.

The L99/A6 combo was the brainchild of mpg goals. DoD was not compatible with manual transmissions, so it could only be paired with the automatic transmission. And the 'down tuning' is a side-effect of the fuel-saving feature. The lower-profile cam, mainly.

When you stop to think about it...25mpg hwy is better than some large cars...The V6 CTS only gets 26. Ford was able to get similar numbers in their own way.

Hope that answered the question.

Look forward to the next generation of GM V8s.

[motorhead]

Originally Posted by Dragoneye

No. They even squeezed enough mpg out of the GT500 to avoid the Tax. To my knowledge, the only one of the three pony cars to get nailed with the tax is the Challenger SRT8.

Not true. They invested their money in other things, that's all. Imagine if everyone did the same thing....BORRRINGGG!!!

The challenger has less Hp in the R/t auto vs the manual version and only the auto gets the motor that cuts slugs in the name of gas mileage ,or I would say it would get the tax.

[2010 SSRS]

damn gas guzzler law

[Mr. Wyndham]

Originally Posted by mikeSS

why cant chevy do that

Why can't Chevy do what? Squeeze mpg? They're doing it. As I said earlier -- their currently working on the most advanced iteration of a very old V8 architecture. Consider that it's STILL competitive, and almost 10 years old.

They are very close to starting production on a new generation of V8 engine that should make everyone else's look like dinosaurs. Of course that's an exaggeration, but they (called the Generation V, or "Gen V" for short) are supposed to be phenomenal pieces of engineering. There are a few articles around this site about it. Search for 'em and enjoy!

[TJ91]

Yeah personally i never understood the reason for having a different engine for the auto...i dont understand the technological aspect of in terms of being different having an auto LS3 and an auto L99.
But in terms of numbers, i thought the L99s were getting better times down the 1/4 mile. I know when gm first announced the numbers, the L99 did 0-60 in 4.6 or 7 and the LS3 was one tenth slower
Dont know what happened in real world comparisons
Anyways the arguement of Auto vs Manual is just pointless, if you wanted the manual, congratulations, if you wanted the auto, congradulations. You all have a great looking Camaro with equal performance.

[mikeSS]

Originally Posted by Dragoneye

Why can't Chevy do what? Squeeze mpg? They're doing it. As I said earlier -- their currently working on the most advanced iteration of a very old V8 architecture. Consider that it's STILL competitive, and almost 10 years old.

They are very close to starting production on a new generation of V8 engine that should make everyone else's look like dinosaurs. Of course that's an exaggeration, but they (called the Generation V, or "Gen V" for short) are supposed to be phenomenal pieces of engineering. There are a few articles around this site about it. Search for 'em and enjoy!

wow thanks allot i never knew about that

[v6sonoma]

Originally Posted by Dragoneye

No. They even squeezed enough mpg out of the GT500 to avoid the Tax. To my knowledge, the only one of the three pony cars to get nailed with the tax is the Challenger SRT8.

The reason why the GT500 doesn't have a guzzler tax is because it only comes with a 6-speed manual. The same one the LS3 comes with. The challengers biggest problem is it's the biggest! 800lbs on a stang is a hard thing to over come.

The L99 is a technologically superior engine but due to the cylinder deactivation it can't hook up to a manual.

[Jekyll-N-Hyde]

Originally Posted by TJ91

Yeah personally i never understood the reason for having a different engine for the auto...i dont understand the technological aspect of in terms of being different having an auto LS3 and an auto L99.
But in terms of numbers, i thought the L99s were getting better times down the 1/4 mile. I know when gm first announced the numbers, the L99 did 0-60 in 4.6 or 7 and the LS3 was one tenth slower
Dont know what happened in real world comparisons
Anyways the arguement of Auto vs Manual is just pointless, if you wanted the manual, congratulations, if you wanted the auto, congradulations. You all have a great looking Camaro with equal performance.

The automatic normally will have faster times down the 1/8 or 1/4 mile because of is 100% on the mark shifts. Not many people can out shift an automatic of today.

[Mr. Wyndham]

Originally Posted by v6sonoma

The reason why the GT500 doesn't have a guzzler tax is because it only comes with a 6-speed manual. The same one the LS3 comes with.

Well, not exactly.

You see, the GT500's manual is the same design as the other Tremec 6060s around...but it's been treated and beefed up to withstand greater power levels. It's not..."exact". If I had the time, I'd look up the gear ratios, since I think they may be a tad different, too.

As far as the gas guzzler...Ford did a good deal of aerodynamics work on that car. It went from 19 (I think?) in 09 to 22 in '10, and then to 23mpg hwy in '11, which finally released it from that stupid tax. So it wasn't always exempt...but it is now.

[mikeSS]

Originally Posted by TJ91

Yeah personally i never understood the reason for having a different engine for the auto...i dont understand the technological aspect of in terms of being different having an auto LS3 and an auto L99.
But in terms of numbers, i thought the L99s were getting better times down the 1/4 mile. I know when gm first announced the numbers, the L99 did 0-60 in 4.6 or 7 and the LS3 was one tenth slower
Dont know what happened in real world comparisons
Anyways the arguement of Auto vs Manual is just pointless, if you wanted the manual, congratulations, if you wanted the auto, congradulations. You all have a great looking Camaro with equal performance.

the manuals are faster at 1/4mil and 1/2 mile... of corse professional drivers

[Fiftydriver]

For an everyday driver I would never trade my L99. That said, with a Roto-Fab CAI, Dynatech LT Headers, HF cats, Corsa Exhaust and a Jannetty tune, she is a bit over what a stock LS3 will get you and from what I have seen, the L99 needs less HP to keep up with the manual.

On paper it may look like a weaker design but in the real world, its not really that way.

Again, saying that, My plans include an LSX376 long block with a Magnacharger 2300 bolted on in the next few years. That engine is made for high boost applications so turn up the boost and you could smoke anything that the stock LS3 with Blower could produce and likely last alot longer.

There is an Unopened L99 with magnacharger and some other add ons here on Camaro5 that is running in the solid 10.5 sec, 1/4 mile range. Most impressive, and thats with only around 550 HP to the ground.

Don't cry to hard to use L99 drivers.

On a side note, I turned off the AFM system and get better milage now then before with the Jannetty tune, plus with the torque management systems turned off basically, its a totally different car.

Yes the L99 is pretty de-tuned, but all that means is that there is ALOT of room for improvement!!!!