R&T 'vette GS vs GT500

[Cmicasa the Great XvX]

Originally Posted by jrc1122

another category it lost in.... PRICE as tested. nearly$13K difference is quite substantial.

Typically with higher priced sports cars I expect better performance.

just sayin'

Both are great cars.

Tell it to Porsche ($20K+), Ferrari ($150K+), and Lambo ($150K+) owners that can't keep up with the GS/Z51 let alone a Z06, or 4GODSAKE... *gasp* ZR1...

A $13K difference

[Sax1031]

Originally Posted by Cmicasa the Great XvX

Hell.. we could use the same argument about the GT500 if it went up against my heavier, by 400lbs, Cadillac that has only 6 more HP and whips the *** outta the Mustang.


Stick to wrestling Camaros SS, GT500 owners, U have a 130HP advantage over them and your numbers still barely "WIN" in that situation.

Oh shit my side is hurting man.


The sad thing is you actually believe that bullshit.

[SS 376]

Originally Posted by lil_chef

i think something is getting lost in translation because im as confused as the other poster. when you say " and i thought the camaro was heavy" it sounds to me like your saying the camaro is comparatively light to the GT500.

either way i raise the flag on this one. the corvette may be slower around the track, and slightly quicker in a straight line up to the 1/4 but it deserves the win for the same reason Miatas, Boxters, RX8's, and BMW's win comparisons; it is the all around better car. i swear magazines just go for what's new....

The only difference between you or anyone else here and the guy writing the article is ... the guy writing the article works for R&T or whatever rag. Mags have to always do and re-do and re-do these comparisons because otherwise they're no different from Edmunds. I mean, shit, how many times have all the mags compared the 3-series to the G35 to the Audi A4 or the CTS against the 5-series and E-Class or print-masturbated to the new Ferrari?

[Sleestack]

Originally Posted by Cmicasa the Great XvX

Seems like the only people here who believe that R&T was correct in their "WIN..." are the ones who own an effin Mustang. I'll put my Z51 up against any GT500 and roll away smiling like Chessie Cat as the Mustang loses.
The insanity of some one saying that a GT500 is a better car due to it weighing so much yet is able to perform NEAR the Vette's atmosphere is just that.. INSANE. The GT500 has 120 MORE HP under the hood.. why is that not mentioned?
Hell.. we could use the same argument about the GT500 if it went up against my heavier, by 400lbs, Cadillac that has only 6 more HP and whips the *** outta the Mustang.

Stick to wrestling Camaros SS, GT500 owners, U have a 130HP advantage over them and your numbers still barely "WIN" in that situation.

You mad, brah? You mad? Why u sooo mad?

[jrc1122]

Originally Posted by Cmicasa the Great XvX

Seems like the only people here who believe that R&T was correct in their "WIN..." are the ones who own an effin Mustang....

Please don't group ME in that category. I never commented on the "winner". I was commenting specifically on a major point in the comparison that was over looked.



And to the other point of price variations Porsche, Ferrari, Lambo = exotic.

Corvette, and GT500 do not fall in that category at all. Some of their performance numbers are close, but the overall package isn't worthy of the "exotic" title.

I would argue that the GT500 doesn't really compare to a Vette. Two different types of cars. I can see why they compare them, but I don't agree they are in the same "class".

[bolteon593]

Originally Posted by Sleestack

You mad, brah? You mad? Why u sooo mad?

he's a vette owner... he knows no wrong...

[jrc1122]

When you buy a Ferrari,, much more of the money goes towards the name, than the performance.

Camaro-- you are paying almost solely for the performance, and not the name.
GT500- some of your money is going for the Shelby name, but alot to the performance.
Corvette- you are paying alittle for the name, but mostly for the performance,


Now The higher priced, more exotic cars you get, the more money that goes to wear the prestige badge, the performance is great, but chevy has already proved to be able to give you phenomenal performance with he Z06 and Zr1 for MUCH less than a Ferrari/ Lambo/ higher end Porsche.

[Cmicasa the Great XvX]

Originally Posted by Sax1031

Oh shit my side is hurting man.


The sad thing is you actually believe that bullshit.

Chuckle AWAY...

[Cmicasa the Great XvX]

Originally Posted by Sleestack

You mad, brah? You mad? Why u sooo mad?

Never mad at Mustang owners... just sympathetic..

[Cmicasa the Great XvX]

Originally Posted by jrc1122

Please don't group ME in that category. I never commented on the "winner". I was commenting specifically on a major point in the comparison that was over looked.



And to the other point of price variations Porsche, Ferrari, Lambo = exotic.

Corvette, and GT500 do not fall in that category at all. Some of their performance numbers are close, but the overall package isn't worthy of the "exotic" title.

I would argue that the GT500 doesn't really compare to a Vette. Two different types of cars. I can see why they compare them, but I don't agree they are in the same "class".

Didn't specifically name U... but the people in this thread who actually agree with the out come.. despite the numbers are Mustang owners... No offense meant directly at U. And I will agree with the rest of what U said.

And ALSO.. why are people bring up a $13K difference when in actuality the difference in price between the GRAND SPORT and the GT500 is actually more like $4K???

As for the numbers that matter

Horsepower, bhp @ rpm 436 @ 5900 ....................................550 @ 6200
Torque, lb-ft @ rpm 428 @ 4600 ............................................510 @ 4250
0-60 mph 4.1 sec .................................................. ..................4.4 sec
0-100 mph 9.2 sec .................................................. .................9.2 sec
0-1320 ft (1/4 mile) 12.4 sec @ 116.5 mph .............................12.6 sec @ 118.9 mph
Top speed 190 mph* .................................................. .............155 mph*

[Cmicasa the Great XvX]

Originally Posted by bolteon593

he's a vette owner... he knows no wrong...

U calling me perfect??? U're the 567th person who has called me perfect... It must be true.

[jrc1122]

Originally Posted by Cmicasa the Great XvX

Didn't specifically name U... but the people in this thread who actually agree with the out come.. despite the numbers are Mustang owners... No offense meant directly at U. And I will agree with the rest of what U said.

And ALSO.. why are people bring up a $13K difference when in actuality the difference in price between the GRAND SPORT and the GT500 is actually more like $4K???

As for the numbers that matter

Horsepower, bhp @ rpm 436 @ 5900 ....................................550 @ 6200
Torque, lb-ft @ rpm 428 @ 4600 ............................................510 @ 4250
0-60 mph 4.1 sec .................................................. ..................4.4 sec
0-100 mph 9.2 sec .................................................. .................9.2 sec
0-1320 ft (1/4 mile) 12.4 sec @ 116.5 mph .............................12.6 sec @ 118.9 mph
Top speed 190 mph* .................................................. .............155 mph*

Price as tested $68,365 .................................................. .........$55,537


68.3 - 55.5 = 12.8K--- rounded up to 13K.

[syr74]

Originally Posted by lil_chef

either way i raise the flag on this one. the corvette may be slower around the track, and slightly quicker in a straight line up to the 1/4 but it deserves the win for the same reason Miatas, Boxters, RX8's, and BMW's win comparisons; it is the all around better car. i swear magazines just go for what's new....

Actually, I'll disagree here given the proximity of the performance numbers because, and I have said it for a long time, the problem with the Vette is that it actually isn't a very good car...just a fast one.

The issues? The interior materials and fit and finish are among the worst on any American car unless you opt for the interior upgrade package, and even that only takes you from horrible to acceptable and asks 10k for the bundle that lets you do it.

The seats are terrible, how they have lasted this long without being addressed I do not know. Irony? The GTO which cost less and debuted before the C6 had superb seats, but the Vette goes slumming?

Steering feel is inexcusably bad for a sports car. You may as well be getting feedback via smoke signal here because the steering rack is going to be largely unwilling to tell you anything. I have seen people declare this a 'nit pick', but I think it is important to remember that this is a sports car and only exists for the joy of driving.

There are other more minor issues, but these three issues represent glaring shortcomings for this car IMO.

[Shifty 6]

Funny thing is in these comparisons there is never a limiting factor.You have to base the winner on one or two criteria. If you want to base it on dollars, then you have to let the less expensive car spend the difference on whatever they want. If the criteria is factory spec, then you have to leave price out of it.

I think the better comparison is the standard corvette vs GT500. Speed wise, the GS doesn't really add anything, it is supposed to add some handling advantages, and appearances. So we can take away the $10,000 the GS package adds. Now the cars are nearly the same price (within 2-3%). I think you could add a Z51 suspension pack? not sure anymore, I don't follow the options as much as I used to, in order to help handling and braking. If you are a fan of the make or the car, that is OK, you aren't going to change my mind, and I won't change yours.

I think we can all admit the numbers say the Corvette is better. The ONLY category where the GT500 (notice no one wants to call this a mustang, yet people are willing to at least acknowledge that the GS is a Corvette?) is comparable (in a world of tenths and hundredths of a second) is the braking from 80 mph and cornering limits.

I think we can all admit the GT500 is the less expensive car. Aside from that, the comparisons end.

Run 1 lap at any track.....I think there would be a difference in the 2 cars. Run 3 laps at any track.....I think the differences would be monumental.