The 2011+ Mustang Thread

[All-Or-Nothing]

Originally Posted by Icandrivejustnotlegally

http://www.autotrader.com/fyc/vdp.js...ler_id=1389849.
This dealer got it right

That price doesn't include the $36,000 destination charge.

[ComayroLouver]

Hahahaha is it from egypt

[THE EVIL TW1N]

Originally Posted by vernal

See, I'm not sure about this. My thinking is it is like putting a person on a horse. If one horse weighs 1200 lbs and one weighs 1000, adding a 120 lb person is only a 10% increase to what the big one's used to, while on the smaller animal the 120lbs is a greater percentage of his body weight and should affect him differently. If the area under the curve of the Camaro is greater than that of the Mustang, an additional person would affect the Camaro less.

If I'm right about the curve thing, this would be an argument in favor of the Camaro as a better street car.

maybe if both cars had the same rear end and transmission gearing then your argument might hold water. The LS3 would have a very slight advantage. The gearing differences completely negates the argument though since the Mustang "sees" more tq at the wheels when you factor in the rest of the equation (gearing).

[vernal]

Originally Posted by THE EVIL TW1N

maybe if both cars had the same rear end and transmission gearing then your argument might hold water. The LS3 would have a very slight advantage. The gearing differences completely negates the argument though since the Mustang "sees" more tq at the wheels when you factor in the rest of the equation (gearing).

I'm looking at a graph someone put up on a 5.0 vs 6.2, are you saying the mechanical multiplication of the gears is not reflected in this graph since they ran it in the 1:1? In other words, a true dyno for full-car evaluation should show all 6 gears? I would figure a rwhp figure would incorporate gear multiplication.

I've seen many a smaller horse with high weight beat a bigger horse with less weight, so I'm not trying to be biased, but I also have personal experience that I've been thinking about.

Back when I was young and foolish, me and my 3.73-geared 92 used to do "informal acceleration tests," and there was an occasional wager on the outcome. I'm giving away one of my favorite tricks, but since I don't do this anymore I guess it doesn't really matter. I usually bargained so that a passenger was required in the contest in both cars and the smaller-engined but higher horsepower cars used to fail to do with a passenger what they could do to me with a solo driver. Also worked with certain Gen3 competitors.

Or maybe I just got better traction with a person on the right-side of the Mustang. Or some people drive worse with someone in the car watching them.

I was a po' boy who bought the Stang after winning the dough at a casino, modded it with cash from "opinion backed with cash", and stopped all this street crap after I almost got swiped by an idiot with a 5.0 I was 1/2 a car length ahead of but who lost control, veered, and if I hadn't had the experience to expect it and thus had stepped on the brake early so he swung in front of me would be dead/severely messed up.

I also know that the IRS is one of the reasons I jumped to a Camaro, as I had lost my final "informal acceleration test" years ago (which was the race after the one above) when I hit a seam that crossed the road and my rear tires lost grip and I had to watch a f%#@ing WRX Si get a win and my rent while I had to shove in the clutch to keep from wrecking. Yes, I'm an idiot and facing death didn't stop me but that combined with a major financial dent finally sent me to the track to take care of my need for speed.

[jrc1122]

obvious typo

[BackinBlackSS/RS]

Originally Posted by vernal

I'm looking at a graph someone put up on a 5.0 vs 6.2, are you saying the mechanical multiplication of the gears is not reflected in this graph since they ran it in the 1:1? In other words, a true dyno for full-car evaluation should show all 6 gears? I would figure a rwhp figure would incorporate gear multiplication.

I've seen many a smaller horse with high weight beat a bigger horse with less weight, so I'm not trying to be biased, but I also have personal experience that I've been thinking about.

Back when I was young and foolish, me and my 3.73-geared 92 used to do "informal acceleration tests," and there was an occasional wager on the outcome. I'm giving away one of my favorite tricks, but since I don't do this anymore I guess it doesn't really matter. I usually bargained so that a passenger was required in the contest in both cars and the smaller-engined but higher horsepower cars used to fail to do with a passenger what they could do to me with a solo driver. Also worked with certain Gen3 competitors.

Or maybe I just got better traction with a person on the right-side of the Mustang. Or some people drive worse with someone in the car watching them.

I was a po' boy who bought the Stang after winning the dough at a casino, modded it with cash from "opinion backed with cash", and stopped all this street crap after I almost got swiped by an idiot with a 5.0 I was 1/2 a car length ahead of but who lost control, veered, and if I hadn't had the experience to expect it and thus had stepped on the brake early so he swung in front of me would be dead/severely messed up.

I also know that the IRS is one of the reasons I jumped to a Camaro, as I had lost my final "informal acceleration test" years ago (which was the race after the one above) when I hit a seam that crossed the road and my rear tires lost grip and I had to watch a f%#@ing WRX Si get a win and my rent while I had to shove in the clutch to keep from wrecking. Yes, I'm an idiot and facing death didn't stop me but that combined with a major financial dent finally sent me to the track to take care of my need for speed.

WOW!!!!

[a_Username]

Way too much.

[HeHasReturned]

It's a typo meant to say 39,600 probably

[wallace]

See, I'm not sure about this. My thinking is it is like putting a person on a horse. If one horse weighs 1200 lbs and one weighs 1000, adding a 120 lb person is only a 10% increase to what the big one's used to, while on the smaller animal the 120lbs is a greater percentage of his body weight and should affect him differently. If the area under the curve of the Camaro is greater than that of the Mustang, an additional person would affect the Camaro less.

If I'm right about the curve thing, this would be an argument in favor of the Camaro as a better street car.

YEAH

AHHH
WHAT?!?!?!?

[BigDan]

Here's a manual vs manual dig race. I just cant see a stock SS ever overtaking a stock 5.0L that get's the jump. Its just too much to overcome at slower speeds. I'd still love to see some freeway races because it looks almost neck and neck once they get up to high speeds.

[lil_chef]

Originally Posted by Sax1031

fastlane turbo 5.0



great numbers for 6psi.

those numbers dont mean anything without knowing what the baseline numbers are. steeda saw a 40hp difference show up on a dyno just from running in 4th as opposed to 5th gear.

[GMRULZ]

Originally Posted by JusticePete

My Camaro with me in the seat is 4,182 pounds.

Mine w/ me and an 1/8 tank of gas is 3985 and its an auto. I do have headers and a CAI, so a little weight was shed. It will be a lil heavier once the Whipple goes on...

[REEFBLUE93]

Originally Posted by wbt

When you drive the car off the lot and immediately take it to the track I expect nothing less.

For those of us who daily drive the car and break it in properly and run on street tires at the track, I don't believe this to be the case.

Now when folks start putting stickies on their cars and launching at 6K you can expect a stock clutch needing replacement. I don't care what car you drive in this price range and several higher, when you start doing that you are on borrowed time and yes the stock clutch needs to be upgraded.

I would not call this a systemic issue, weak link or a problem.

I guess that really remains to be seen. BTW, these are folks just like you, they DD their 2011 GT's. This is a completely new driveline, it stands to reason there will be some issues. That's why a lot of people prefer to wait until the 2nd or 3rd year of production, following the initial release of a new power plant and drivetrain, before they go out and buy one. There are always bugs to be worked out and I'm quite sure Ford will address the clutch issue. "Sticky tires" shouldn't be causing these clutches to go out on an otherwise bone stock vehicle and I NEVER heard anyone mention launching them at 6K RPM, maybe there was a bit of sarcasm involved there. Like I said, I'm sure Ford will address this issue.

[THE EVIL TW1N]

Originally Posted by REEFBLUE93

I guess that really remains to be seen. BTW, these are folks just like you, they DD their 2011 GT's. This is a completely new driveline, it stands to reason there will be some issues. That's why a lot of people prefer to wait until the 2nd or 3rd year of production, following the initial release of a new power plant and drivetrain, before they go out and buy one. There are always bugs to be worked out and I'm quite sure Ford will address the clutch issue. "Sticky tires" shouldn't be causing these clutches to go out on an otherwise bone stock vehicle and I NEVER heard anyone mention launching them at 6K RPM, maybe there was a bit of sarcasm involved there. Like I said, I'm sure Ford will address this issue.

3800lbs race weight + 1.6 60' times are gonna put a beating on a stock clutch.