How to make a ZR1 9seconds faster at the ring and would it be acceptable to you? - Page 2

big hammer · 06-05-2010, 07:27 PM

the ACR is also as close to a full on race car and barely street legal. it gives up many creature comforts to run what it does.

the zr1 runs an amazing time while being a completely comfortable car a much less of a price than anything else.

HeHasReturned · 06-05-2010, 07:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Milk 1027

Then again. the Viper ACR and the Porsche are all out race cars. Did you see the GT2's seats? I bet they aren't really comfortable.

Maybe GM is going for a street car with supercar performace.
Maybe they hit their target and there is really no reaason to go after the rest. Seeing as the others are fully built for racing. The ZR1 could still lose some weight in the interior.

I don't think you can base a car's streetability based on its seats. Not to mention that there are two seat options for the Porsche...
IMO, none of these cars can be classified as dd's, but the zr1 and porsche definitely have an edge over the viper. And if you want to talk about interiors, then the zr1's falls flat on its face as compared to the Porsche. To each his own, but I don't think streetability was the goal of any of the three manufacturers...

*Milk 1027* · 06-05-2010, 07:46 PM

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Originally Posted by HeHasReturned

I don't think you can base a car's streetability based on its seats. Not to mention that there are two seat options for the Porsche...
IMO, none of these cars can be classified as dd's, but the zr1 and porsche definitely have an edge over the viper. And if you want to talk about interiors, then the zr1's falls flat on its face as compared to the Porsche. To each his own, but I don't think streetability was the goal of any of the three manufacturers...

ok. Let's disregard the seats and point out the fact that it has a roll cage.....
Streetability was definately a goal when developing the ZR1. The ZR1 is a street car. The ACR and GT2 are road course cars. I bet the ZR1 still has a lot of weight to lose on the interior. While the ACR and GT2 are basically stripped down.

HeHasReturned · 06-05-2010, 07:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Milk 1027

ok. Let's disregard the seats and point out the fact that it has a roll cage.....
Streetability was definately a goal when developing the ZR1. The ZR1 is a street car. The ACR and GT2 are road course cars. I bet the ZR1 still has a lot of weight to lose on the interior. While the ACR and GT2 are basically stripped down.

Well, I hate to beat a dead horse, but the car is streetable if you option(or lack thereof) it to be streetable. The roll cage, for example, is not standard.
"The instruments use yellow needles, and the Clubsport package, which adds a roll bar, a six-point harness, and pre-wiring for a kill switch is a no-cost option (at least in Europe). The infotainment system, air conditioning, and cup holders can be deleted for further weight savings."
http://www.caranddriver.com/news/car...hotos_and_info

Basically, it's what you make of it. A standard gt2 rs is just as streetable, if not more, than the zr1, IMO.

BTW, we have gone way OT now.

HeHasReturned · 06-05-2010, 08:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Dragoneye

I'd have to save up for 10 years to afford a ZR1 as-is. And that car will NEVER....EVER see its potential under my piloting. Worth spending more for 9 seconds around a track I'll likely never visit in real life? Not at ALL!!

The ring is unofficial, as there is no authoritative body overseeing a manufacturers runs, and the lap times are no more important that "mine is bigger than yours" arguments.

You define the gt2rs solely as compared to the zr1 as 9 less seconds around the 'ring, but then claim that lap times are unofficial and unimportant. Sorry for being so blunt, but you do or don't care about lap times? Because it seems as if you think all you're paying for is lap time, but then don't care about lap times...

*Mr. Wyndham* · 06-05-2010, 08:09 PM

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Originally Posted by HeHasReturned

You define the gt2rs solely as compared to the zr1 as 9 less seconds around the 'ring, but then claim that lap times are unofficial and unimportant. Sorry for being so blunt, but you do or don't care about lap times? Because it seems as if you think all you're paying for is lap time, but then don't care about lap times...

....I never compared the two by track times. I'm not sure what you mean?

HeHasReturned · 06-05-2010, 08:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Dragoneye

....I never compared the two by track times. I'm not sure what you mean?

Oh whoops, I thought when you said spending more for 9 seconds around a track, that you were comparing gt2rs to zr1, not a modded zr1 to zr1. My bad

*Mr. Wyndham* · 06-05-2010, 08:12 PM

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Originally Posted by HeHasReturned

Oh whoops, I thought when you said spending more for 9 seconds around a track, that you were comparing gt2rs to zr1, not a modded zr1 to zr1. My bad

Yup! No problem!

djsnoflake · 06-06-2010, 03:35 AM

Doesn't the ZR-1 have runflats as stock tires?
Runflats suck for handling, I bet a good set of actual race tires could get a few seconds by themselves

zebra · 06-06-2010, 03:45 AM

i think that with this first run of ZR1s, they were setting a bar that they could surpass in the coming years. that's just called marketing, if anything.

how's it gonna look if you come out with some über-crazy, kill-all car that can only stay close to the same or decrease in performance over the next few years?

Number 3 · 06-06-2010, 08:07 AM

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Originally Posted by LOWDOWN

RWD in GT2 form.

Heinracy was the wheelman. Maybe they could have sent Fellows?!

Maybe a "GT"-style package, with more splitter/more wing (more total downforce front AND rear, aero-correct), c/f undertray, smaller grille opening (high-speed cooling not an issue), forged 19s (under 20#/wheel), and Sport Cup non-runflats...with the "freeflow option" of Fellows behind the wheel?

John Heinricy didn't drive the ZR1 at the "Ring. The lead Chassis Development Engineer, Jim Mero did the driving. There is a "no professional race drives code" now in place. The Z06 used John Magnusson, a Corvette team driver prior to the "code".

http://www.bing.com/videos/watch/vid...96-56021549757

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Originally Posted by djsnoflake

Doesn't the ZR-1 have runflats as stock tires?
Runflats suck for handling, I bet a good set of actual race tires could get a few seconds by themselves

I believe the base Corvette has run flats, not sure about the ZR1.....

Just confirmed at Chevrolet.com.....ZR1 has run flats standard.

DeathChill · 06-06-2010, 11:16 AM

These runs were done different days, no? I read somewhere comparing times between cars on road tracks on different days is literally impossible because even the slightest condition change can alter the time to the tune of a second or two.

HeHasReturned · 06-06-2010, 11:31 AM

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Originally Posted by DeathChill

These runs were done different days, no? I read somewhere comparing times between cars on road tracks on different days is literally impossible because even the slightest condition change can alter the time to the tune of a second or two.

Yes, but taking that into account, there is an 8 second difference between zr1 and gt2rs, so it still wouldn't match it, not to mention that the two second swings could happen in the opposite direction, meaning that on the same day, the gt2rs could have a 7:16, and the zr1 a 7:28.
The whole different days things is sort of irrelevant. I'm sure both Porsche and Chevrolet waited for conditions perfect for their runs, as both developers spent weeks on the 'ring...

DeathChill · 06-06-2010, 01:36 PM

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Originally Posted by HeHasReturned

Yes, but taking that into account, there is an 8 second difference between zr1 and gt2rs, so it still wouldn't match it, not to mention that the two second swings could happen in the opposite direction, meaning that on the same day, the gt2rs could have a 7:16, and the zr1 a 7:28.
The whole different days things is sort of irrelevant. I'm sure both Porsche and Chevrolet waited for conditions perfect for their runs, as both developers spent weeks on the 'ring...

Uh, what? I said any slight condition change could result in a second or two change. Now imagine multiple changes and you can see where a large difference could come from.

If you want a realistic comparison you simply must run the cars on the same day.

EDIT: want to point out I don't care which car is faster, just saying that comparing two cars run on different days at a track like this doesn't really provide an appropriate comparison point.

06-05-2010, 07:27 PM	#15
big hammer Drives: 2002 ws6 Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: manitoba Posts: 1,202	the ACR is also as close to a full on race car and barely street legal. it gives up many creature comforts to run what it does. the zr1 runs an amazing time while being a completely comfortable car a much less of a price than anything else. __________________ Bolt on 2002 ls1 Trans am--- 11.5 @ 121 (1.72) 2000 da

06-06-2010, 03:45 AM	#24
zebra just can't seem to leave Drives: your mom wild!! Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: cold & windy Posts: 10,625 View My Garage	i think that with this first run of ZR1s, they were setting a bar that they could surpass in the coming years. that's just called marketing, if anything. how's it gonna look if you come out with some über-crazy, kill-all car that can only stay close to the same or decrease in performance over the next few years? __________________ Eve ('00 FRC): hot-air intake Rowan ('09 H3): 5spd mom-mobile Penny ('99 Sierra): 5.3 / HD 5spd... gone but not forgotten Samson ('18 HD): compounded 408

06-06-2010, 11:16 AM	#26
DeathChill Drives: 2010 Hyundai Genesis Coupe 2.0T Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Mission, BC Posts: 862	These runs were done different days, no? I read somewhere comparing times between cars on road tracks on different days is literally impossible because even the slightest condition change can alter the time to the tune of a second or two.