The 2011+ Mustang Thread - Page 432

THE EVIL TW1N · 06-05-2010, 10:13 PM

also, i believe Evolution performance got a 118mph (117.75mph) with just a 30rwhp gain (405rwhp) when they initially started their project so it seems that at the stock power levels, the shift into 5th at the end of the track hurts the 3.73 geared cars.

DeathChill · 06-05-2010, 10:26 PM

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Originally Posted by THE EVIL TW1N

also, i believe Evolution performance got a 118mph (117.75mph) with just a 30rwhp gain (405rwhp) when they initially started their project so it seems that at the stock power levels, the shift into 5th at the end of the track hurts the 3.73 geared cars.

Except that 3.31 gear cars have been run and only managed a 112 MPH trap. I simply await more auto's to run!

2SSARMY · 06-05-2010, 10:26 PM

Please don't get this thread locked. It has been very civil lately. We all know that things were done to that car to make that 10 run that we're not being told, but who cares? It is impressive nonetheless. Will anyone on these forums be able to reproduce those results? No. Is anyone saying they are going to buy a 5.0 and run a 10? No. Simply showing what the Coyote is capable of. A professional shop did it, with funds and experience that most people won't have. That's fine, but you yourself have to admit that a 10 run with no F/I or spray is damn impressive.

THE EVIL TW1N · 06-05-2010, 11:15 PM

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Originally Posted by DeathChill

Except that 3.31 gear cars have been run and only managed a 112 MPH trap. I simply await more auto's to run!

well, camaros have trapped lower than 105mph and higher than 112mph, looks like the 109-115mph variance for the mustang is within that range. I too would like to see more runs though.

fazm · 06-05-2010, 11:17 PM

weird cuz for once its not a mustang guy causing all the trouble lol well kinda hah.

i cant wait for the twin turbo 5.0 auto, see what that bad boy does.

2SSARMY · 06-05-2010, 11:37 PM

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Originally Posted by fazm

weird cuz for once its not a mustang guy causing all the trouble lol well kinda hah.

i cant wait for the twin turbo 5.0 auto, see what that bad boy does.

You and me both. I saw a TT 2010 GT and was NOT impressed at all. Thing seemed about as fast as a bolt on camaro.

DeathChill · 06-05-2010, 11:51 PM

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Originally Posted by fazm

weird cuz for once its not a mustang guy causing all the trouble lol well kinda hah.

i cant wait for the twin turbo 5.0 auto, see what that bad boy does.

Boo auto! Yay manual!

8cd03gro · 06-06-2010, 12:01 AM

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Originally Posted by firelife25

im not gonna argue with you...if you dont think its true call them yourself....you cant argue with ford guys they will never admit when they are wrong...but hey go buy one yourself and when you are not seeing the numbers you thinkyou will dont cry about it....go troll somewhere else

Really? Show me where the 1.5 60's on nitrous that you claimed are. I saw 1.4x's on nitrous and a 1.49 n/a. Back up your claims. Show me proof of them saying it was a 200 shot. Maybe they said they have run a 200 shot on it, which I wouldn't be surprised about since they just recently said on their facebook, "Our 2011 Mustang GT 5.0 4V really likes the Nitrous......The more you give it, the more it likes it..., How big of a shot can it handle.... We will find out soon enough...." but the mid 10's they have run were on a 125 shot. I can show you proof of MULTIPLE instances where they said it was a 125 shot. I admit when I'm wrong. I don't accept that I'm wrong because some random guy on the internet with nothing to back up his claims and can't even tell me who he talked to, says I'm wrong. As for Evolution lying about numbers, ARH saw 37rwhp from just headers and an x-pipe with no tuning changes. That should put them around 410rwhp judging by most stock dynos with half the power bolt ons evo has and no tuning. So, I guess every performance shop to modify a 5.0 so far must be lying about their results.

firelife25 · 06-06-2010, 12:27 AM

like i said just wait till more people buy them...then the truth will be told...im not trying to cause a fight...just dont like lies...and them claiming 10s with out spay is a lie with that stock engine period....again say what you will ....I myself just do not believe them...and they guy i talked to was named mike...but like i said called onece they told me something and then called again and said something else...

KungFuHamster · 06-06-2010, 12:57 AM

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Originally Posted by 2SSARMY

You and me both. I saw a TT 2010 GT and was NOT impressed at all. Thing seemed about as fast as a bolt on camaro.

details on the TT 2010 GT? a car like that should see ~500 to the tire at least. detuned/low boost to keep the stock shitty motor alive perhaps?

8cd03gro · 06-06-2010, 12:59 AM

We don't even know what the car weighed or put down and you call bull shit. The car made 415rwhp before the intake and tune on race gas. Plenty of cars with a lot less power can go 10's, for example the ls1's that we were talking about earlier. A bolt on 5.0 makes a hell of a lot more power than a bolt on ls1, so with unknown weight reduction, how can you say with full confidence that they are lying? That's just ridiculous, blind hate right there. With MM&FF being so involved with this process, I have a hard time believing they could get away with lying about spraying on that run. Ranger has driven a bone stock z06 to a 10.9, yet a car that is putting down slightly less power and could very well weigh the same or a bit more (we don't know the specifics of the weight reduction, they would have to remove about 400 lbs to reach z06 weight), but gets waaaayyyy better traction isn't capable of a 10? Come on now. Get real. At least wait until you know all the facts to call bull shit man.

wbt · 06-06-2010, 01:12 AM

Heading for a lockdown.....

2SSARMY · 06-06-2010, 01:13 AM

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Originally Posted by KungFuHamster

details on the TT 2010 GT? a car like that should see ~500 to the tire at least. detuned/low boost to keep the stock shitty motor alive perhaps?

Type 2010 MUstang GT TT in youtube. There's one there getting chased by a camaro. It's fast, but not as fast as I'd hope it to be.. maybe he's running very low boost or it's not tuned or I don't know maybe he just can't drive... Should be amazing on a 5.0 though.

Merlinnnn · 06-06-2010, 01:22 AM

Not to dampen the spirits of the Ford guys but aren't we all taking this a bit out of perspective? I know I have heard people talk about the difference in gearing between the Camaro and the Mustang but then everyone blows it off as a non-factor it seem. It's a huge advantage, guys, people should realize there is a drastic difference between the two cars in this respect.

Of course, my numbers could be wrong, but I show that the Camaro LS3 would have to have a 4.54 final drive to equal that of the GT with the 3.73's in first gear, 4.40 for second gear, 4.37 for third and so on. So basically, to match the GT in gearing, you're gonna need 4.55 gears on the SS. That's huge - I would love to see some of these guys running mid-12's stock do some runs with some 4.55's.

Now I know the stock for stock argument and the GT is gonna be quicker bone stock but it ain't because the engine is something created by God himself - it's all in the gearing - the LS3 is a badass engine itself. I think the new 5.0 is an incredible engine but I won't bow down and worship it until I see what some LS3's do with equal gearing - I think the results will be quite impressive. If the SS still gets whacked, then I will reconsider. Someone may have already posted all this info. but I think it is pretty interesting. Just my .02.

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06-05-2010, 10:13 PM	#6035
THE EVIL TW1N Banned Drives: 2003 Cobra Convertible Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: CA Posts: 2,925	also, i believe Evolution performance got a 118mph (117.75mph) with just a 30rwhp gain (405rwhp) when they initially started their project so it seems that at the stock power levels, the shift into 5th at the end of the track hurts the 3.73 geared cars.

06-05-2010, 10:26 PM	#6037
2SSARMY Account Suspended Drives: 2SS/RS Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: Norman, OK Posts: 1,125	Please don't get this thread locked. It has been very civil lately. We all know that things were done to that car to make that 10 run that we're not being told, but who cares? It is impressive nonetheless. Will anyone on these forums be able to reproduce those results? No. Is anyone saying they are going to buy a 5.0 and run a 10? No. Simply showing what the Coyote is capable of. A professional shop did it, with funds and experience that most people won't have. That's fine, but you yourself have to admit that a 10 run with no F/I or spray is damn impressive.

06-05-2010, 11:17 PM	#6039
fazm Drives: ex-500hp v6 mustang Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: arizona Posts: 605	weird cuz for once its not a mustang guy causing all the trouble lol well kinda hah. i cant wait for the twin turbo 5.0 auto, see what that bad boy does.

06-06-2010, 12:27 AM	#6043
firelife25 Drives: 2010 camaro 2ss Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: sd Posts: 21	like i said just wait till more people buy them...then the truth will be told...im not trying to cause a fight...just dont like lies...and them claiming 10s with out spay is a lie with that stock engine period....again say what you will ....I myself just do not believe them...and they guy i talked to was named mike...but like i said called onece they told me something and then called again and said something else...

06-06-2010, 12:59 AM	#6045
8cd03gro Drives: 2005 STi corn fed Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Colorado Posts: 2,997	We don't even know what the car weighed or put down and you call bull shit. The car made 415rwhp before the intake and tune on race gas. Plenty of cars with a lot less power can go 10's, for example the ls1's that we were talking about earlier. A bolt on 5.0 makes a hell of a lot more power than a bolt on ls1, so with unknown weight reduction, how can you say with full confidence that they are lying? That's just ridiculous, blind hate right there. With MM&FF being so involved with this process, I have a hard time believing they could get away with lying about spraying on that run. Ranger has driven a bone stock z06 to a 10.9, yet a car that is putting down slightly less power and could very well weigh the same or a bit more (we don't know the specifics of the weight reduction, they would have to remove about 400 lbs to reach z06 weight), but gets waaaayyyy better traction isn't capable of a 10? Come on now. Get real. At least wait until you know all the facts to call bull shit man.

06-06-2010, 01:12 AM	#6046
wbt Account Suspended Drives: 2010 Challenger R/T;2011 Mustang GT Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: Texas Posts: 2,105	Heading for a lockdown.....

06-06-2010, 01:22 AM	#6048
Merlinnnn Drives: 2011 Mustang GT Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Burleson, Texas Posts: 72	Not to dampen the spirits of the Ford guys but aren't we all taking this a bit out of perspective? I know I have heard people talk about the difference in gearing between the Camaro and the Mustang but then everyone blows it off as a non-factor it seem. It's a huge advantage, guys, people should realize there is a drastic difference between the two cars in this respect. Of course, my numbers could be wrong, but I show that the Camaro LS3 would have to have a 4.54 final drive to equal that of the GT with the 3.73's in first gear, 4.40 for second gear, 4.37 for third and so on. So basically, to match the GT in gearing, you're gonna need 4.55 gears on the SS. That's huge - I would love to see some of these guys running mid-12's stock do some runs with some 4.55's. Now I know the stock for stock argument and the GT is gonna be quicker bone stock but it ain't because the engine is something created by God himself - it's all in the gearing - the LS3 is a badass engine itself. I think the new 5.0 is an incredible engine but I won't bow down and worship it until I see what some LS3's do with equal gearing - I think the results will be quite impressive. If the SS still gets whacked, then I will reconsider. Someone may have already posted all this info. but I think it is pretty interesting. Just my .02.