The 2011+ Mustang Thread

[radz28]

Originally Posted by garagelogic

Chevy doesn't have to do anything with the Camaro, it's already capable of going head-to-head with the 5.0 Mustang. You really can't get much more even from two completely different ponycars. Of course, if you're just looking for bragging rights, I guess it could matter.

I think pony/musclecar guys are all about bragging rights, lol.

[mrray13]

Originally Posted by garagelogic

Chevy doesn't have to do anything with the Camaro, it's already capable of going head-to-head with the 5.0 Mustang. You really can't get much more even from two completely different ponycars. Of course, if you're just looking for bragging rights, I guess it could matter.

I agree. When we see 2011's lining up at tracks/stoplights, things are going to be interesting. Ford did a good job catching up, this new Mustang is something else. Ugly, true, lol..but it deserves respect.

It's going to be an interesting summer!

[rez333]

Originally Posted by Sleestack

LMAO, that is exactly why peeps need to get their noses out of the magazines and get out and drive. Let's say the difference between comparably equipped GT and GT500 is $12,000, what does that buy? Forged motor, Supercharger and all the plumbing, custom hood fascia with matching paint, Wheels and Tires, better suspension, much heavier duty clutch and transmission, all under warranty. Sounds like a bargain, aye? Bang for the buck? Maybe that goes to the GT, but that measure means more to some than others.... i.e. a pound of hamburger costs less than a pound of T-bone.... uh....yeah.....

You're right.

[cmiller8006]

Originally Posted by assasinator

look at the car's 1/8 time and mph, but also the car beside it.

8.34 at 87.7
9.56 at 80.8

now the traps 87 for the 1/8th is 108.75
and 80.8 is 100.9


the spacing on their trap speed lights is off. the car probably ran 108mph.

You cant always go by that. The car might just top half like a mofo. My car traps about 92-93 in the eighth and can only manage 113 in the quarter. Now my buddie with a srt4 can only get like 89-90 in the 1/8th and the car will trap 115-117 in the quarter. Same track, same side of track

[radz28]

Originally Posted by Sleestack

LMAO, that is exactly why peeps need to get their noses out of the magazines and get out and drive. Let's say the difference between comparably equipped GT and GT500 is $12,000, what does that buy? Forged motor, Supercharger and all the plumbing, custom hood fascia with matching paint, Wheels and Tires, better suspension, much heavier duty clutch and transmission, all under warranty. Sounds like a bargain, aye? Bang for the buck? Maybe that goes to the GT, but that measure means more to some than others.... i.e. a pound of hamburger costs less than a pound of T-bone.... uh....yeah.....

There are only a few magazine reviewers that I give any cred to when it comes to getting good test results. One is Evan Smith, and I'm sure you Ford guys are familiar with him; I'd become familiar with him when he was participating more in GMHTP. Anyways, I think the internet and forums offer more in terms of real-world information than the magazines, typically, do. For example, no powershifting, or side-stepping, or many other techniques many of us would use to maximize the performance of the car, but many of those reviewers won't do that. It just seems like BS to me.

As far as bang for the buck, regarding these two cars, it tips toward the GT500. I think the name and limited production are many of the reasons, but there's a GREAT foundation to start from, as you've already pointed out. Personally, I like the '10-and-up body a lot better on the non-GT500 cars then the last itteration, but I really think the newer lines, across all the models, looks a lot better; I still dont' care for the rear, but us Camaro guys don't want to see that view of the car anyways, if you get my drift

Originally Posted by rez333

You're right.

[kaler]

Originally Posted by VADER SS L99

Its going to suck if my bolt on car wont be able to out run a stock GT. Damn you GM for puting a baby cam in the L99. I have owned many mustangs and camaro's and the Camaros were always faster year for year. It looks like it may not be the case this year for the first time in history. For those questioning the guys trap speed, The SS's trap speed looks spot on for his mods dont they. If the SS's trap speed is correct then doesnt that mean the GT's trap is too?

Keep in mind I ran a 13.009 against the mustang and ran 12.8 12.7 and 12.8 that night with only Kooks and mufflers no tune,stock Cai with paper filter so you will be fine with bolt ons...

[scythezo6]

I can't believe you guys can talk this long about the 2 cars. GET BACK TO WORK! (;

[8cd03gro]

Originally Posted by garagelogic

Chevy doesn't have to do anything with the Camaro, it's already capable of going head-to-head with the 5.0 Mustang. You really can't get much more even from two completely different ponycars. Of course, if you're just looking for bragging rights, I guess it could matter.

Exactly. It's suuuuper close between the 5.0 and SS. I wish it was closer between the 6's, but it's still fairly close and most 6 drivers don't do any kind of racing anyway.

[9c1ny]

for years the fbodies were a faster better performing car that was outsold (to the point of extinction) by what the general public considered to be a better looking , more practical car (the Mustang)

well now the shoes on the other foot , the Ford dominates in every performance category (come on people be realistic the '10 GT beat the SS in several magazines with 100 less hp than the '11) lets hope the general public considers the Camaro the better looking , more practical car

from a diehard GM guys perspective the Mustang is putting down the performance stock we all hoped the Camaro would be capable of, with 1.2 less liters! HUGE thumbs up to Ford

[ViperTomcat]

Originally Posted by 9c1ny

for years the fbodies were a faster better performing car that was outsold (to the point of extinction) by what the general public considered to be a better looking , more practical car (the Mustang)

well now the shoes on the other foot , the Ford dominates in every performance category (come on people be realistic the '10 GT beat the SS in several magazines with 100 less hp than the '11) lets hope the general public considers the Camaro the better looking , more practical car

from a diehard GM guys perspective the Mustang is putting down the performance stock we all hoped the Camaro would be capable of, with 1.2 less liters! HUGE thumbs up to Ford

To the brand loyalists the performance numbers wont sway them into either camp.

That being said the Camaro is already selling well, and Chevy shouldnt be too worried.

However, they do need to do something with the 2012's to get the majority of tests and first "real world" drivers into the 12's stock, as its getting ALOT of hype and word of mouth for the Mustang.

[DeathChill]

Originally Posted by cmiller8006

You cant always go by that. The car might just top half like a mofo. My car traps about 92-93 in the eighth and can only manage 113 in the quarter. Now my buddie with a srt4 can only get like 89-90 in the 1/8th and the car will trap 115-117 in the quarter. Same track, same side of track

Doesn't the SRT4 have a turbo? I'd imagine they'd pull more on the top end than a naturally aspirated engine...

I agree that Chevy needs to do something for 2012; however, real world drivers have got the SS into the 12's. The issue here is that the automatic is slower in the SS so if someone doesn't know how to launch the manual then all the power in the world isn't going to help them.

Also, I am not sure what you mean by real world drivers. Every stock 2011 Mustang in the 12's has been done by a performance shop.

[radz28]

Originally Posted by 9c1ny

for years the fbodies were a faster better performing car that was outsold (to the point of extinction) by what the general public considered to be a better looking , more practical car (the Mustang)

well now the shoes on the other foot , the Ford dominates in every performance category (come on people be realistic the '10 GT beat the SS in several magazines with 100 less hp than the '11) lets hope the general public considers the Camaro the better looking , more practical car

from a diehard GM guys perspective the Mustang is putting down the performance stock we all hoped the Camaro would be capable of, with 1.2 less liters! HUGE thumbs up to Ford

Try as I might to find a good argument for your points, I can't, too much. I won't give most rags' the credit for competent tests. Also, I think there are enough achievements Camaro has already made that has fulfilled my expectations. I wished they were still better than what the '11 GT is starting to look like, but hey, the same goes with about all other consumables out there.

Originally Posted by ViperTomcat

To the brand loyalists the performance numbers wont sway them into either camp.

That being said the Camaro is already selling well, and Chevy shouldnt be too worried.

However, they do need to do something with the 2012's to get the majority of tests and first "real world" drivers into the 12's stock, as its getting ALOT of hype and word of mouth for the Mustang.

I think, though, there have been enough real-world tests of 12 second 100% stock cars. These are certainly not average drivers, but I think there are still enough results out there to make an argument. We haven't seen as may 5.0 tests to call it a 12-second car yet, IMO. Regardless, I think it's going to be an interesting summer and fall KUDOs to Ford

[9c1ny]

dont get me wrong I loved my 2010 but always felt as though it should have been faster, I wish GM had kept a Ls3 in the auto and didnt mess with all this AFM crap

most brand loyalists will always stay true although I know many Mustangs guys who jumped ship to GM because they were tired of losing to LSx power (and who can blame them??!)

I'm not huge on the looks of the new Mustang but optioned out right it can look pretty damn nice

I'm not jumping ship but have no problem saying this is the best Mustang since 1973 IMO

[WiccaJew]

Can't you just tune out the AFM?