The 2011+ Mustang Thread

[Allentown]

Originally Posted by ULTRAZLS1

The camaro produced the best lap times in all the comparisons I have read. It just doesnt "FEEL" as agile as the mustang....it is a bigger car. Also the slalom and figure 8 tests reflect this. The bigger car is not going to be as good in transitions. But these tests alone do net tell the entire story (not that the camaro did bad in these, just not as well as the TRACK PACK enhanced mustang). The camaros lap times show that it is capable.

Part of the reason the 10 maro beat the 10 GT in the lap times I am sure was because of the power advantage. But the camaro is not a bad handling sports car like some like to say. Especially when the stock springs and sways are changed...the car can really carve.

If GM really wanted to compete with the mustang with the handling I dont know why they dont include a track pack like the mustang. The base price would still be the same. And like I said different springs and sways make it a whole new car...chevy was too conservative in this department.

"Next, the drivers swap cars. When this session is over, Donohue is the guy wearing the big smile. "Just driving down pit lane, the Mustang seemed much lighter," he says. "The low-speed grip is so much better, and you can toss it into the corner sideways." Jones, on the other hand, looks worn out by the Camaro. "It's a pig," he says bluntly. "The brakes are much better, but it just won't turn. The Mustang is a lot more fun to drive."

"The Mustang eats the Camaro alive in midcorner but never threatens to get by. "The only way I could pass him," Jones acknowledges, "is if he makes a mistake--or I don't mind bruising a door." (Sounds like Parnelli's son, all right.) "

Braking 0.83 g 0.75 g Cornering 0.95 g 1.05 g Cornering 0.95 g 0.94 g Cornering 0.97g 0.98 g Speed 105 mph 97 mph Cornering 0.97 g 1.12 g Braking 0.80 g 0.61 g Minimum speed 47 mph 48 mph


Camaro won via straightways...avg speed of 80.9 to mustangs 80.3
http://www.automobilemag.com/feature...ies/index.html

Ok, i acknowledge the Camaro might have been much much worse had it NOT had IRS..and the mustang could be much much better..with IRS addition...but AGAIN... The argument "Camaro has IRS and therefore is automatically better"..will NOT FLY with anyone who is fair minded and has half a brain.

[ULTRAZLS1]

I see one corner where the camaro pulled more G's. Another where they were almost identical as well.

They also said in the fast corners the camaro did better.

The brakes also performed better.

This is also not the only article I have read where the camaro had a better lap time. Another I read had the camaro ahead by almost 2 seconds.

Ford has had 6 years to dial in this chassis. I am sure the handling on the camaro can and will improve from the factory in the future. Like I said before, changing the springs and sways shows a big improvement on these cars. GM needs to find a better balance between daily drive-ability and performance and or add a track pack option like the mustang if they want to do better.

[Allentown]

Agreed, but (in this case) the IRS argument does not make the Camaro Superman nor the mustang a 01 Ranger as some of the fanbois here would lead everyone to beleive.

The Mustang handles just fine thank you, and (i would submit)..with a stronger, and lighter drive train thrown in the mix as a cherry on top.

[Mr. Wyndham]

Originally Posted by Allentown

The argument "Camaro has IRS and therefore is automatically better"..will NOT FLY with anyone who is fair minded and has half a brain.

These arguments are getting tiring.

[1badSS/RS]

It is a bit quicker boys. Competition is good.

http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/...est/index.html

[ULTRAZLS1]

Neither of us even said that in the first place. It was a previous poster who said that the camaro was better because of the IRS and gave no other reasoning.

[ULTRAZLS1]

Originally Posted by Allentown

Agreed, but (in this case) the IRS argument does not make the Camaro Superman nor the mustang a 01 Ranger as some of the fanbois here would lead everyone to beleive.

The Mustang handles just fine thank you, and (i would submit)..with a stronger, and lighter drive train thrown in the mix as a cherry on top.

As far as drive trains...

Isnt the 4.6 motor physically bigger/heavier than the LS3?

What do you mean stronger? I doubt the 5 speed in the mustang is stronger than the 6 speed in the camaro? Or do you just mean SRA compared to the IRS?

[Pushing_Tin]

Originally Posted by Whiskey Tango Foxtrot

There was no superior mustang from 1986-2002 yet the Camaro kept improving itself. In fact it was a total blow out from 1993-2002. Ford more or less did the ricer flyby with the 2003 cobras.

Yes interest was so high that GM stopped making them.

[MADBOWTIE]

I call BS on the Youtube video.

[Allentown]

Originally Posted by ULTRAZLS1

Or do you just mean SRA compared to the IRS?

Thats it..sorry.

[Allentown]

Originally Posted by Dragoneye

These arguments are getting tiring.

I agree...please tell your members not to say such foolish things PLEASE! (regarding the constant IRS = always superior handling dribble)..

[MADBOWTIE]

There is a lot of BS flying on here. Mod motors basicly suck, (ask 90% of the ford guys they will agree) ,fox body mustang's are just glorified fairmounts, SN-95 cars are almost as ugly and junky as the wonderful mid 70's Mustang II's , The only good running cobras have to have a power adder. Yea mustangs are great. I can't wait to see one of these great handleing super fast 5.0 GT's for myself and I really hope I am driveing my camaro, I will slow down a little and wave when I pass it .

[06x6spdGTO]

Originally Posted by wavrun2000

Sure those are things that you can do after you buy one but it is a little late in the game for a complete engine overhaul in a couple of months. For 2012 maybe but even then it is a little far fetched. I think in order to beat the mustang it is going to have to involve aftermarket parts. And even then it comes down to who has deeper pockets.

I wouldnt call that a complete OVERHAUL. GM has done this before. I.E. 2000FRC vette - 2001 Z06 - 2002 Z06, 2004 GTO - 2005 GTO. What so hard about GM installing a thinner head gasket and getting New gears and cams ground?? i bet the gears, gaskets, and cams all cost the same for gm to buy. And install time will still be the same in the factories.

so lets compare 2010 Camaro to 2010 Mustang GT, and when 2011 Camaro debuts do this test again

As for deeper pockets on the Modding ability of the car the Rugstain will need the deep pockets. A cam swap in your LS series motor would cost ya what $1800 - 2.5k installed and tuned!! Now go price a couple more bump sticks for the other turd and make sure they r ground to VVT acceptance. I think most of us know that a blower for a camaro or mustang will run ya about the same $$$ (6K-9K). The 2011 GT might aswell have a set of LT's on it already so you might save a little there. And your already at 11.0 SCR on your GT as i stated earlier.

[Mr. Wyndham]

Originally Posted by Allentown

I agree...please tell your members not to say such foolish things PLEASE! (regarding the constant IRS = always superior handling dribble)..

So...are you saying you're NOT part of this community? Because I have words to say to everyone, including your very humble self.


But hell....I'd SURE hate to put words in your mouth....