The 2011+ Mustang Thread

[Camaro_hx]

Originally Posted by mustangman99

Yes I know the answer: The 5.0L has been rumored to be in the works for a while. Hence the real enthusiasts are waiting for the 5.0L to come out. On top of that every Camaro fanboy in the world who has been waiting for the 5th gen to come out went out and bought one.

1. The new 5.0L will sell well.

2. The new 3.7L will swing buyers who don't have brand loyalty to the Mustang side, given its performance.

3. There won't be any fanboys left to buy the Camaro, because they will already have bought one.

Thanks

TALK PRESENT NOT FUTURE U WASTEMAN!
YOU HAVE NO IDEA WHAT 2011 CAMARO HOLDS FOR YOUR 5.0!
YOU WILL BE REMINDED AT HER LAUNCH!

[ULTRAZLS1]

Originally Posted by mustangman99

Then you better pucker up because its going to happen. Raising the rev limit and retuning it'll be close if not 500, so I wouldn't have said that if I were you.

Wow....worse than I thought.

how old are you really?

You really think that the 5.0 can make 100hp per liter TO THE WHEELS? on pump gas! with just exhaust cai and tune (like the ls3 does )

are you snorting heroin?

[mustangman99]

Originally Posted by Camaro_h

TALK PRESENT NOT FUTURE U WASTEMAN!
YOU HAVE NO IDEA WHAT 2011 CAMARO HOLDS FOR YOUR 5.0!
YOU WILL BE REMINDED AT HER LAUNCH!

Way to be hypocritical. You just mentioned the PAST sales in your first post.

No I do know. More power congratulations. And how many of you 2010 camaro owners will trade yours in and take a beating for it?

That's what I thought. And we can play this game all day. This new 5.0 is already beating the 2010 Camaro, so I'm really not scared about the 2011.

[firengnred]

KEEPING IT REAL

I would like to cordially invite each and every one of the Camaro owners on this forum to view these links below:

Read them and yes, very impressive

Don't bring your mustang crap here your still driving an ugly car, your still driving a ford, your taillights are still unbearable,

Very true

we still have the faster car and your still going to loose.

Would not appear so any longer...for now

You now have the SLOWER car, which handles like a pig, and looks terrible.

Couldn't be more wrong. Especially about the looks

And if you don't like the new taillights then I would suggest not racing any 2011 GT's.

Clever

You won't win with this new motor.

Ignorance. 6.2L has a lot more potential than 4.9L

On top of that the 5.0L is going to respond to mods VERY well.

Ahem.... The cubic centimeter (cc or cm3) is, by definition equal to a millilter (ml). Since there are 1000 ml to the liter (l or lit.), there are 1000 cc per liter. But get a life!! LOL 2011 Mustang has 4951cc.... Not quite 5.0. Ford has already squeezed almost everything out of this motor. Again...Ignorance

[The_Blur]

This thread is closed. Next time, be nice.

[ULTRAZLS1]

Looks really good!
I would be all over it if no camaro existed. I prefer the looks of the camaro.

[Kyle2k]

Originally Posted by bpmurr

Yeah, I'm sure nobody at Camaro5 ever quoted a nice thing they had to say about the Camaro. It's funny how selective we become to who's opinions count and who's don't when it doesn't favor our car.

You know what is even more funny? The contradiction between the url of this website and your fairytale expectations for people's responses.

[cab2g]

Well the Mustang is the only muscle car that did not end it's production run after it's initial introduction in the 60's... So that alone should say that Ford has been doing something right over the years.

Chevy did put out an awesome car for '10 and I would expect them to throw in some competitive upgrades for the '11 model year.

And don't hate me for this, but if it wasn't for the exterior of the Mustang which in my opinion doesn't look as nice as the Camaro, I'd seriously be checking one out at a Ford dealership right now... (to see if I could fit in one. I'm tall) Not only because of the performance #'s but because of the factory installed options. Have you guys gone to the Ford web site and seen all the options they offer? They have quite a few that Chevy does not.

[bpmurr]

Originally Posted by Kyle2k

You know what is even more funny? The contradiction between the url of this website and your fairytale expectations for people's responses.

No I expect this.


But to my surprise I have found some really good people on Camaro5 that can look at cars objectively regardless of what they own.

Just a FYI, I've been looking at a 2SS/RS as a daily driver. I need some more seat time before I decide to buy it.

[syr74]

Originally Posted by ULTRAZLS1

Every single mag got 13.0 or 12.9 on the first try...where have you been?

And now we are splitting hairs. If you cant admit this is a drivers race you are delusional.

Motor Trend, Car and Driver, and Road and Track all hit a 13.0 flat on their first run, Automobile hit a 13.3. None of the four mainstream auto rags hit a 12.9 on their first run.

And like I said, this is the cars first run, that 12.8 could easily be a 12.7 or 12.6 next time around, we don't know yet but the potential is absolutely there. Worst case scenario, we know that the Mustang GT's first 1/4 mile time is better than the best any mainstream auto rag has ever run in a SS, and that the run that achieved that time was conducted on an unprepared surface. In the hands of a great driver this could well be a low 12 second car.

Originally Posted by ULTRAZLS1

Every magazine got 13.0 or 12.9 on the first try. I didn't notice any going back and retesting for better numbers.

See my reply above.

Originally Posted by ULTRAZLS1

I definitely think the numbers will improve with real world drivers, but I'd imagine it'll be consistent with the R/T, '10 GT and SS improvements (approximately 4 tenths seems to be the magic number). Which would still put it ahead of the SS by a tenth, which isn't all that large of a number (but still ahead!).

When the dust clears I'm thinking 3 to 4 tenths venue for venue.

Originally Posted by Black5thgen

What ****** tree did you fall from? Inside line, Motor Trend, Hot Rod and a couple other mags tested the Camaro at 12.9 @ 110-111.

Hot Rod isn't Motor Trend, none of the big four managed any better than a 13.0 the first time out and most never improved on that.

Originally Posted by Black5thgen

500 HP? Seriously? You can't believe that.

Why wouldn't I? Given the power to weight and gearing I think this was a decent but not great run. I think we'll see even the mainstream auto rags hitting 12.7 and 12.6 second times before all is said and done with private owners hitting very low 12's on a good track with a great run. That would be about three tenths faster than the better than the best a Camaro SS can do and would require about 30hp to match assuming that extra power doesn't bring traction issues, a problem which the Camaro's weight is likely to exacerbate at those kind of times. Another 30hp comes out to just under 460hp, throw in another ten to make up for traction losses and you're at 470hp and you're just keeping up.

Originally Posted by Black5thgen

My car went 12.7 with an intake and tune and a 2.09 60', looks like GM needs to add the 3.73 gears from the factory and call it a day. The GT benefits from mid-length headers and a CAI from the factory. GM can do the same and really wax the GT.

What you had done in the local garage wont work for GM. For example, mid length headers are going to effect cat light off and as such are almost certainly never going to pass emissions. It wont be as easy for GM as it was for you. And like I said earlier, if you think this is all that there is in this car you are dreaming.

And the V6 comparison is already very interesting, a 13.7 second 1/4 mile run on their first try on an unprepared surface? Wow.

[bpmurr]

Originally Posted by cab2g

Well the Mustang is the only muscle car that did not end it's production run after it's initial introduction in the 60's... So that alone should say that Ford has been doing something right over the years.

Chevy did put out an awesome car for '10 and I would expect them to throw in some competitive upgrades for the '11 model year.

And don't hate me for this, but if it wasn't for the exterior of the Mustang which in my opinion doesn't look as nice as the Camaro, I'd seriously be checking one out at a Ford dealership right now... (to see if I could fit in one. I'm tall) Not only because of the performance #'s but because of the factory installed options. Have you guys gone to the Ford web site and seen all the options they offer? They have quite a few that Chevy does not.

I don't know how tall you are but I'm 6'4" 235 and have no issues in the Camaro or the Mustang.

[Crowley]

Very nice results. I don't think there are any suprises here though as we knew the car would be lighter than the camaro and Ford has been upgrading the interior on these cars for years ..

Crowley

[nova]

Good numbers but to me its still a Mustang. I've never been able to get very enthused about 'em.

It is exciting from the standpoint that GM now has to step up though...

[ULTRAZLS1]

Originally Posted by syr74

Motor Trend, Car and Driver, and Road and Track all hit a 13.0 flat on their first run, Automobile hit a 13.3. None of the four mainstream auto rags hit a 12.9 on their first run.

And like I said, this is the cars first run, that 12.8 could easily be a 12.7 or 12.6 next time around, we don't know yet but the potential is absolutely there. Worst case scenario, we know that the Mustang GT's first 1/4 mile time is better than the best any mainstream auto rag has ever run in a SS, and that the run that achieved that time was conducted on an unprepared surface. In the hands of a great driver this could well be a low 12 second car.



See my reply above.



When the dust clears I'm thinking 3 to 4 tenths venue for venue.



Hot Rod isn't Motor Trend, none of the big four managed any better than a 13.0 the first time out and most never improved on that.



Why wouldn't I? Given the power to weight and gearing I think this was a decent but not great run. I think we'll see even the mainstream auto rags hitting 12.7 and 12.6 second times before all is said and done with private owners hitting very low 12's on a good track with a great run. That would be about three tenths faster than the better than the best a Camaro SS can do and would require about 30hp to match assuming that extra power doesn't bring traction issues, a problem which the Camaro's weight is likely to exacerbate at those kind of times. Another 30hp comes out to just under 460hp, throw in another ten to make up for traction losses and you're at 470hp and you're just keeping up.



What you had done in the local garage wont work for GM. For example, mid length headers are going to effect cat light off and as such are almost certainly never going to pass emissions. It wont be as easy for GM as it was for you. And like I said earlier, if you think this is all that there is in this car you are dreaming.

And the V6 comparison is already amazingly one-sided, a 13.7 second 1/4 mile run on their first try on an unprepared surface? Wow.

You do realize the camaro has gone 12.58 stock right? If the "dust settles" and a mustang runs a 12.18 bone stock I will send you a blank check in the mail. I really hope you arent so blind as to think this will happen BONE STOCK on street tires....its a 412 hp 3620lb car...and it runs like one...a tenth quicker than the camaro with IDENTICAL trap speeds (but that doesnt seem to matter to you)

Do you also realize these cars are producing identical trap speeds? how can you expect it to have a 4 tenth advantage.

The car is fast...but just admit it...its not as fast as you guys hoped.

Give credit where credit is due. I have no problem admitting the mustang is a solid performer.

If you are going to try and convince people that the mustang is far faster....it will never happen. We have the numbers...the camaro performed almost exactly the same as the mustang even on its first try.

PS...are you also going to ignore that edmunds did a drag test as well? 13.0 @ 110. Same exact time they got with the camaro. Same type of surface...same time of year. This is a drivers race all day long...these cars are neck and neck

and what if the camaro gets a gear option for 2011....you dont think it could take off a tenth? dont say too many things you might regret in the next couple months