Forget Toyota. Chrysler's got the most problems

[kevin2323]

Originally Posted by Brokinarrow

Really? I thought the Dodge trucks were supposed to be fairly solid? Maybe the quality has started sliding more recently...

dodge trucks are AMAZINGLY good.....and i know from experience....i still have my 04 ram and its never given me any problems besides stupid problems like a bulb went out once and thats about it.

so no they are not POS....

[kevin2323]

Originally Posted by Dragoneye

Public opinion of Chrylser/Dodge is LOW...and quality/satisfaction surveys do nothing to support a positive attitude regarding them, sadly. Quality and dependability ratings for all three brands are among the lowest on the spectrum, their current product is among the least competitive in the entire US car market, and they've now apparently been selling 50% fleet sales (which I didn't know). Heavy reliance on fleet sales is bad, as the article touches on.

Maybe Fiat can introduce some killer little small cars that totally blow away the like of the Fiesta and Cruze...But they would need a miracle to achieve it, and even then...those types of cars are rarely profitable enough to make a difference.

I used to look positively at Chysler. I wanted to when they weren't owned by the Italians, but I don't have much hope for them, anymore.:(

im with you on this one...i think it's do or die now with fiat. either the cars coming in are a hit (which i think they will be) or chrysler is done. simple as that. daimler screwed them up BADLY im suprised they have withstood failing for so long.

[moto-camaro]

Originally Posted by 2000v6

Do they even make anything interesting anymore, other than the charger and challenger? And the viper is going away for at least a year.

Honestly, the best thing to do for them to do is to bring the alfas and lancias to the states, restyle them and sell them as dodges. Bring the fiats, restyle them and sell them as chryslers. Leave jeep, the charger, challenger and 300 alone, except for creating new gen models out of these cars. Bring viper back in a year. And bring a ferrari over, and build it into the ME-412 as it was shown at the autoshows. Also, actually put the firepower into production. The company is saved.

One last thing, put the dodge demon into production.

Replace the liberty and compass with the jeep trailhawk. And replace the current commander and patriot with the original commander concept.

Basically jeep line up would be the original commander, trailhawk, new gen. grand cherokee and wrangler

The dodge line up would be the new gen. charger, challenger, viper, demon, grand caravan, and lancias/alfas brought over

The chrysler line up would be the fiats, town and country, new gen. 300

The ram line up would be the new "magnum" and the rams

I think that's a bit agressive at this stage in the game, but i'm inclined to agree with you on most of that. I don't think the Lancias should come, but Alfa, YES, bring them all! It'd be nice to see a select few of the Fiat models come overseas as well, but they can keep the rolling boxes... we don't need any more cubes on wheels.

ME-412 is a bad idea i think, chrysler needs to get volume sales, building a V-12 quad-turbocharged supercar should be the last thing on their minds. IMO the 300 is getting due for an overhaul. and I'd love to see dodge put the Demon into production.

[ssump29]

Well I have a 300 which I brought three years ago and not a problem. I'm not going to bash them because just as one person has a horror story about one brand and company someone else has the same story with the ocmpetition.

[Brokinarrow]

Originally Posted by ssump29

Well I have a 300 which I brought three years ago and not a problem. I'm not going to bash them because just as one person has a horror story about one brand and company someone else has the same story with the ocmpetition.

That may be true, but you can't deny that the company is in a very dangerous spot right now. (well, i guess you CAN if you really want to, but LOGICALLY you can see that they are in trouble).

[Mr. Wyndham]

Originally Posted by kevin2323

dodge trucks are AMAZINGLY good.....and i know from experience....i still have my 04 ram and its never given me any problems besides stupid problems like a bulb went out once and thats about it.

so no they are not POS....

Dodge Trucks are good. I'll agree there, 100%. Unfortunately, they suffer from being branded a "Dodge".

Originally Posted by kevin2323

im with you on this one...i think it's do or die now with fiat. either the cars coming in are a hit (which i think they will be) or chrysler is done. simple as that. daimler screwed them up BADLY im suprised they have withstood failing for so long.

In the near term...I just hope they can withstand the next two years...It's going to be tough.

[Stew]

I would love to see the Alfas come back, they simply some of the most striking cars in the industry. I know there is a plan to make an alfa 159 on the LX/LY platform, that could really be an interesting car.

[ssump29]

Originally Posted by Brokinarrow

That may be true, but you can't deny that the company is in a very dangerous spot right now. (well, i guess you CAN if you really want to, but LOGICALLY you can see that they are in trouble).

Yup very true. I concur.

[DGthe3]

Originally Posted by 2000v6

Do they even make anything interesting anymore, other than the charger and challenger? And the viper is going away for at least a year.

Honestly, the best thing to do for them to do is to bring the alfas and lancias to the states, restyle them and sell them as dodges. Bring the fiats, restyle them and sell them as chryslers. Leave jeep, the charger, challenger and 300 alone, except for creating new gen models out of these cars. Bring viper back in a year. And bring a ferrari over, and build it into the ME-412 as it was shown at the autoshows. Also, actually put the firepower into production. The company is saved.

One last thing, put the dodge demon into production.

Replace the liberty and compass with the jeep trailhawk. And replace the current commander and patriot with the original commander concept.

Basically jeep line up would be the original commander, trailhawk, new gen. grand cherokee and wrangler

The dodge line up would be the new gen. charger, challenger, viper, demon, grand caravan, and lancias/alfas brought over

The chrysler line up would be the fiats, town and country, new gen. 300

The ram line up would be the new "magnum" and the rams

The problem with that is they can't do it fast enough. They do have a bunch of European cars which are coming over, but they are still quite a ways off. In the mean time they need to survive with cars like the Chrysler Sebring and the Dodge Caliber. The only new products that I know of in the interim will be the heavily refreshed Charger and 300, and the new Grand Cherokee. It will work out that there is only 1 good vehicle in each of the 4 brands, and I don't think that is enough.

Originally Posted by Dragoneye

Dodge Trucks are good. I'll agree there, 100%. Unfortunately, they suffer from being branded a "Dodge".

Maybe thats why they created the otherwise useless 'Ram' brand

[2000v6]

Originally Posted by moto-camaro

I think that's a bit agressive at this stage in the game, but i'm inclined to agree with you on most of that. I don't think the Lancias should come, but Alfa, YES, bring them all! It'd be nice to see a select few of the Fiat models come overseas as well, but they can keep the rolling boxes... we don't need any more cubes on wheels.

ME-412 is a bad idea i think, chrysler needs to get volume sales, building a V-12 quad-turbocharged supercar should be the last thing on their minds. IMO the 300 is getting due for an overhaul. and I'd love to see dodge put the Demon into production.

The way that I see it with the ME-412 is that the car is pretty much "built", all that really needs to be thrown in their is the engine and other mechanical parts. And those can be brought over from ferrari. And it should only be a niche vehicle, have ferrari build it and just sell it as chrysler. Only a few people will buy it, but when they will chrysler will make a lot of money off of one single car.

Actually, now that I think about it, there's only one lancia that should be brought over, which is the delta. The rest of them can stay in europe.

Also, all of the alfa romeos should be brought over.

There should only be a few select fiats coming over, which are the new 500, the croma, the grande punto, the linea, and the stilo. I know that they have been talking about bringing the panda over but they should just leave it in poland. It's not going to compete well against anything.

The rest of the fiats are ugly. I mean honestly, the doblo, the ducato, the fiorino, the idea, the multipla, the scudo, the seicento, and the ulysse are . And most of them are minivans.

Originally Posted by Vladi

Great idea about bringing italian cars but.. i don`t think many americans will buy lancia, some people doesn`t even know what is it.
What about bringing italian and france cars such as Renault Pegeout and Citroen it will be very funny to drive your camaro on a freeway near Pegeout 107

I can definitely see renault being brought over due to it's alliance with nissan.

But the POS called peugot and citroen. No deal.

[ViperTomcat]

Big surprise they're saying that "Toyota isnt in the real trouble".

Anything to defend Toyotrash and put an American car company down!

[kevin2323]

Originally Posted by ViperTomcat

Big surprise they're saying that "Toyota isnt in the real trouble".

Anything to defend Toyotrash and put an American car company down!

yep but what can you do.

i really do hope that the 500 is a huge hit here.

[Blownhotrodder]

I agree tomcat. I love my Dodge Ram.

[Stew]

Anyone find this wierd that CNN does this article like 1 day after being called out on the Toyota video that was faxed about unintentional aceleration? I think it was CNN anywa.... Anywho, a large chunk of all the Big 3s sales are to fleets, all of them, and it is no big secret.