CAMARO already striking fear @ the Dodge Dealers...

[SS4EVER]

Originally Posted by kevin2323

The new RT with the 6 speed and 392 gears. Stock vs stock you bet it would

Hmm I don't know about that. We'll obviously have to wait and see, but.... According to Dodge, (mfr) estimates says the Challenger R/T does 0-60 in 5.5seconds and the quarter in 13.8 or 13.9 seconds... It also weighs 4000lbs.

The current gen Mustang GT does 0-60 in 5.1/5.2 seconds and does the quarter in mid 13's...

I'd say the Mustang GT will still be quicker than the Challenger R/T, and I think it's weight is what's really affecting it.

Especially seeing that the Challenger R/T with the 5.7L Hemi in it has 375hp and 404lbs ft. lbs of torque w a 6spd manual. But going off those #'s it doesn't look like it's helping it much.

The SE's and R/T's that are on the lot ARE going for sticker, or below sticker now... There isn't a markup on them. I'm not sure about the SRT-8's because 1) I didn't look at them, 2) I only asked him about the SE's and the R/T's

But yes, most were purchased by the dealers initially and were marked up to hell, but a lot of people also did pre-order them.

[gladiatoro]

Originally Posted by KatarHol

Maybe for the SRT8 and SE,but i believe you are stuck with the R/T Hemi.2009 IS the upgrade.....and a GT would so murder that car. It's not even worth arguing. The R/T is out of its league.

I agree lol

[KatarHol]

Originally Posted by JiXeR'z DoDgE/FoRd KiLLeR

And if you super/turbo the srt8 the right way it'll murder the GT-500.

The worst single argument in all of the internet is the "...well,if you do so and so,then we'll see". This argument doesn't make sense,if you're taking about modding any of these cars,then a modded vs stock statement is worthless,a modded Dodge Omni could beat a stock SRT8 and GT500....meaningless,and modded vs modded is whoever has the bigger checkbook. GT500 beats SRT8,GT and Bullitt beat R/T and V6 Mustang destroys the SE.
The SRT8 is overpriced,the R/T is a fair price for what it is,but it won't compete with the GT or SS and the SE is pretty nice for the money. It's at least worth a test drive if you were going to buy a V6 Pony car,just on looks alone.

[SS4EVER]

The Mustang GT owner is correct...

[Congoman775]

Originally Posted by KatarHol

The worst single argument in all of the internet is the "...well,if you do so and so,then we'll see". This argument doesn't make sense,if you're taking about modding any of these cars,then a modded vs stock statement is worthless,a modded Dodge Omni could beat a stock SRT8 and GT500....meaningless,and modded vs modded is whoever has the bigger checkbook. GT500 beats SRT8,GT and Bullitt beat R/T and V6 Mustang destroys the SE.
The SRT8 is overpriced,the R/T is a fair price for what it is,but it won't compete with the GT or SS and the SE is pretty nice for the money. It's at least worth a test drive if you were going to buy a V6 Pony car,just on looks alone.

i would rather have a Challenger R/T for a couple reasons.

A. Its prob a better car. Ive seen some scary shit FALL OFF of a stock mustang.

B. Its not like what everyone and their mothers, and there aunts who are in town and had to rent a car, drive.

C. Hemi. you can always loose weight, you cant replace the big 5.7l. The first thing id do is take it on a "we're dropping a few hundred lbs program"

That being said, id know going into it that the Mustang is the Faster STOCK car. and because modded car arguments are worthless, we wont get into that, but id sleep at night knowing mine would eventually be as fast as i wanted it to be.

[SS4EVER]

All of that is def true. In fact overall I think the Challenger is better than the Mustang. So for personal preference you definitely get what you want.

But judging from the #'s we've seen so far, it looks like the Mustang GT will still be quicker than the Challenger R/T.

[KatarHol]

Originally Posted by Congoman775

i would rather have a Challenger R/T for a couple reasons.

A. Its prob a better car. Ive seen some scary shit FALL OFF of a stock mustang.

B. Its not like what everyone and their mothers, and there aunts who are in town and had to rent a car, drive.

C. Hemi. you can always loose weight, you cant replace the big 5.7l. The first thing id do is take it on a "we're dropping a few hundred lbs program"

That being said, id know going into it that the Mustang is the Faster STOCK car. and because modded car arguments are worthless, we wont get into that, but id sleep at night knowing mine would eventually be as fast as i wanted it to be.

A. Probably,but quality is hit and miss on these cars. I've had a 4th gen Camaro that was horrible and 2 Mustangs that were perfect. I know a lady with a 4th gen Z28 with 240K miles and no problems.....sooooooo,push. I've heard both sides for the LX Dodge cars.
B. Agree.Worst thing about owning a Mustang,but it does insure we'll have a car for a long time to come.
C. I don't see how you can lose weight without butchering your car and compromising its reliability.

[lalometalik]

Originally Posted by SS4EVER

The Mustang GT owner is correct...

oh you savvy Mustang fanatics. If that car(Mustang GT) wasnt a ford I would jump right on it
The fact of the matter is, IMO, there are way too many mustangs out there.
I would gladly jump on slightly slower, heftier Challenger, before I cross over to Ford, just to help even out the odds...
but the Camaro is at the top of my list so no need to come to unnecessary conclusions

[SSmoked]

wow ur dealers are total different then mine lol. i have loads of challangers on the roads, a mix of se,rt's and srt8s. the dealers got nothin. hell i see more challangers than mustangs on the roads. it probly doesnt help that im located were they produce the challanger so getting it aint a problem.

[Mr. Wyndham]

Originally Posted by lalometalik

The fact of the matter is, IMO, there are way too many mustangs out there.

If anybody here cares about the success of the Camaro, we'd all better hope there becomes "way too many Camaro's out there", too.

fwiw...there are lots of Mustangs. But you know what? It's a healthy reprive from all the freaking Prii and camry's, and the odd ricer I see everyday. I'd rather look at a Mustang than those....

[kevin2323]

Originally Posted by KatarHol

A. Probably,but quality is hit and miss on these cars. I've had a 4th gen Camaro that was horrible and 2 Mustangs that were perfect. I know a lady with a 4th gen Z28 with 240K miles and no problems.....sooooooo,push. I've heard both sides for the LX Dodge cars.
B. Agree.Worst thing about owning a Mustang,but it does insure we'll have a car for a long time to come.
C. I don't see how you can lose weight without butchering your car and compromising its reliability.

look the fact is that the 5.5 is an estimate for the auto. There is a guy who just got his auto and is doing 5.3 consistently without the engine broken in.

A. the difference between the manual and the auto isnt just that. The auto has a 5 speed with a crappy 306 gearing. the new manual is a 6 speed with a 392 gear ratio. That is a vast difference that dodge owners have been waiting for a long time since you cant just swap gears on our cars like the stangs can. Stock for stock I will go with the rt.

[lalometalik]

Originally Posted by Dragoneye

If anybody here cares about the success of the Camaro, we'd all better hope there becomes "way too many Camaro's out there", too.....

YEAHHH!
too many Camaros will have me spittin 'get that camaro outta ma face!' jk

that would be heaven

[MajorTom]

Originally Posted by kevin2323

look the fact is that the 5.5 is an estimate for the auto. There is a guy who just got his auto and is doing 5.3 consistently without the engine broken in.

A. the difference between the manual and the auto isnt just that. The auto has a 5 speed with a crappy 306 gearing. the new manual is a 6 speed with a 392 gear ratio. That is a vast difference that dodge owners have been waiting for a long time since you cant just swap gears on our cars like the stangs can. Stock for stock I will go with the rt.

The Autos and manuals will probably be close in 0-60 times. You need to look at the gearing of the Manual transmission too. I believe first gear in the TR-6060 is quite a bit taller than first gear in the auto. So they kinda balance out. And the Challenger is given such a short axle ratio because it weighs a quite a bit more than the stang. Not arguing, just stating facts.

[SS4EVER]

Originally Posted by lalometalik

oh you savvy Mustang fanatics. If that car(Mustang GT) wasnt a ford I would jump right on it
The fact of the matter is, IMO, there are way too many mustangs out there.
I would gladly jump on slightly slower, heftier Challenger, before I cross over to Ford, just to help even out the odds...
but the Camaro is at the top of my list so no need to come to unnecessary conclusions

Hey! Who you calling a Mustang fanatic? I'm far from one, but I was simply agreeing with the Mustang owners in saying that the Mustang GT will still be quicker than the Challenger R/T...

Originally Posted by SSmoked

wow ur dealers are total different then mine lol. i have loads of challangers on the roads, a mix of se,rt's and srt8s. the dealers got nothin. hell i see more challangers than mustangs on the roads. it probly doesnt help that im located were they produce the challanger so getting it aint a problem.

Didn't know the Challenger was made in Ontario as well. Well lucky you guys! You produce America's finest muscle cars now!

Originally Posted by kevin2323

look the fact is that the 5.5 is an estimate for the auto. There is a guy who just got his auto and is doing 5.3 consistently without the engine broken in.

If the 5.5 is an estimate for the auto, then I would hope the manual would be capable of producing, anywhere from 5.0-5.3 seconds... If it does then I'll certainly be proven wrong, but with it's weight, I just don't see it happening. Just gotta wait and see.

I'm definitely not taking Edmund's word on it. I don't think they know how to drive...