Chevy vs Ford

[a_Username]

Originally Posted by bpmurr

Then the Fusion and Taurus win there as well. It's not worth trying to compare to the Ford product line. There is a reason they are making money.

I'm sure at some point GM will have some better products and then Ford will have better products and the cycle will continue.

True I agree with that, but for those who want a mid 20K car performance car, then ford does not offer one... at least not one that compares with a Cobalt SS. The interior I mentioned is subjective, plus doesn't the Malibu have a better MPG rating than the non-hybrid Fusion?

[a_Username]

Originally Posted by syr74

Vehicle to vehicle strictly talking about obvious advantage here.....

Taurus vs LaCrosse is close, and LaCrosse has the better basic platform here, but Ford gets Buick in the details and available options. Example? (yeah, it's a Buick, but the Impala is a pointless comparison) LaCrosse's base 3.0L is pointless, but if you step up to the 3.6L the price tag starts creeping up well past where a comparably equipped Taurus. Buick also is missing a SHO counterpart, and as SHO has thus far accounted for more than 10% of total sales and represents the profit leader of the line that is significant.

Camaro vs Mustang is about to get very interesting. To be blunt, unless GM finds some magical exemption from the laws of physics there is no way the SS wont be outrun by the new GT, and with the Mustang receiving meaningful handling upgrades on top of an already well sorted package this could get a little ugly for 2011 dynamically speaking unless Ford's handling engineers really screwed things up here. (my understanding is that the guy who spawned the Track Pack was in charge of 2011 suspension development in general, so I'm guessing a complete let down is unlikely) Still, the fact that the war is back on in full force is good for both brands, and while I suspect it will be at least 2012 before GM can really answer I'm sure they will.

Acadia vs Flex is almost Acadia vs nothing....Flex really isn't a direct competitor and that says it all. I personally like the Flex, but it isn't ever going to be the kind of volume vehicle the Acadia is (yes, I brought a GMC into the war....Acadia is the best of the Lambda's though) Until Explorer gets here GMC has a big leg up on Ford.

Equinox vs Escape is a case of an old Ford showing it's age a bit. Until the new Escape gets here the current model is more of a place holder, hopefully sales hold out until then.

The rest are either too close to call, pointless (who really cares if Focus or Cobalt is better?), or yet to unfold (C2 Focus vs Cruze, etc)

For the 2010 MY, Camaro > Mustang. And also, Ford is making the Mustang look like it's the new definition of physics. If the Mustang does outperform the camaro, it will be very close.

[JHart]

Cobalt SS/TC>Ford Focus- faster, better looking cobalt murders the focus, and with a tune/exhaust can keep up with mustangs and new SHO's
Cruze>Ford Focus-(though i hate the cruze and focus both, the new styling of the cruze)
Taurus>Impala-(since the impala is more of a blah car and there's no more SS, no longer have interest in the impala)
Taurus<Malibu malibu's interior and exterior styling are beautiful, the taurus being new is actually a pretty sweet looking ford vehicle, but the malibu takes it.
Equinox>Escape
Traverse>Flex
Colorado>Ranger (i have a colorado, so i had to throw that in there )
Camaro>Mustang---i'll admit, this one is biased

[Ninjak]

Did they not discontinue the Cobalt ?

Also the new top Focus for 2011 will be the rally 300hp one from Europe. I'd say that will easily bring it in line with quite a few cars...

[DGthe3]

Originally Posted by Ninjak

Did they not discontinue the Cobalt ?

Also the new top Focus for 2011 will be the rally 300hp one from Europe. I'd say that will easily bring it in line with quite a few cars...

no, Colbalt will continue for a little while and probably overlap with the Cruze for 1 year

Oh, and thread moved to general automotive

[Stew]

I think people are confused on the classes of some some cars. The Fusion is midsize, not compact. It is a competitor for the Malibu, not the Cobalt (Focus goes against Cobalt). Also the Taurus is Fullsize, so it's competition is the Impala, not the Malibu. That said..

Taurus>Impala (Taurus is just a much newer design with a much better interior, tyling, features, engines, etc, etc, etc)

Fusion>Malibu (Initially it was Fusion=Malibu, but after thinking about it, the only place the Malibu actually beats the Fusion is in style. The gas mileage in ALL engine configurations is better in comparison to its Maluibe Counterpart, The Fusion Hybrid is a full Hybrid and can even run on electric power. Fusion just has more engine choices and more available variations to suit your needs, Quality is top notch.

Cobalt>Focus Both are pretty dismal small cars, the only reason the Cobalt has any advantage is the SS model that polishes a turd basically.

2011 GT vs 3011 Camaro, better to wait and see what happens.

[DGthe3]

Originally Posted by ssump29

Great a FORD fanboy VS Chevy fanboy thread. As I thought the Ford guys are defending Ford to the end and the Chevy guys are defending Chevy until the end. Why bother with a thread like this, you guys can say you aren't bias or loyal to an company all you want but its pretty easy to see otherwise from your posts that you are.

WHEN WILL THIS STOP.

a couple decades after one of the companies goes out of business

[TheCaptain]

Originally Posted by bluestang50

Ok i'll start lol.

The new taurus is pretty dang nice but the new malibu is really nice too. It would be cool so the a upgraded malibu of some sort to compete with the SHO. They could call it a Chevelle, but a 4 door chevelle would be a disgrace.

As far as the fusion vs the colvalt I would have to say the fusion wins hands down. The cobalt ss is a fun car for sure but the safety ratings arent the greatest and it could use a redesign. It has been quite awhile since they revamped its looks.

As far as the GT vs SS all I can say is that battle is back and honestly it will be very close and in the real world will probably be a drivers race.

Holy ricerboy comparo batman!

The 11 Mustang vs. 11 Camaro should prove to be interesting.

[lil_chef]

why are people comparing the taurus to the malibu? its supposed to be Fusion Vs Malibu

[TheCaptain]

Originally Posted by lil_chef

why are people comparing the taurus to the malibu? its supposed to be Fusion Vs Malibu

Because it's the most illogical and retarded way to compare vehicles for a biased win. (ie: ricerboy comparison -my car with a supercharger can beat yours!)

[ssump29]

Originally Posted by DGthe3

a couple decades after one of the companies goes out of business

Best line and response I have seen in awhile.

[jrc1122]

Cars specifically Ford wins for body design and interiors over Chevy. (except in the case of Camaro's and Corvettes)

But those are just opinions. Not fact driven, just personal preference.
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Maryjane

[syr74]

Originally Posted by a_Username

For the 2010 MY, Camaro > Mustang. And also, Ford is making the Mustang look like it's the new definition of physics. If the Mustang does outperform the camaro, it will be very close.

I dunno 'bout that.

Mustang GT = ~3650lb/412hp for 8.86lb per hp

Camaro SS = ~3900lb/426hp for 9.16lb per hp

That difference isn't huge but it is meaningful. And while there are other factors to take into consideration many of those don't bode well for the Chevy. Example? Outside of limited run pieces like the GT500 Ford rates their cars on regular unleaded more or less across the board regardless of whether performance would improve with premium fuel. Put more simply, if 412hp represents the final, Ford hp rating than that will be with 87 octane in the tank, which of course begs the question what happens when premium gets put in the tank instead? Put more simply, 412hp ain't all there is.

Even more, I've spent more than my fair share of time at the dragstrip, and I can tell you that, even if power to weight ratios were identical, the Mustang would still have a bit of an edge since the lighter car always has fewer issues with traction, etc. The only real advantage here I can see for the Chevy is in torque production, and the buzz is that the 5.0L is really well executed in this regard and that torque is very good across the rpm band.

In the end the difference in acceleration between these two cars might not be huge, but the numbers definitely leave open the possibility that they could be bigger than a lot of folks want to think.

[The_Blur]

Originally Posted by DGthe3

a couple decades after one of the companies goes out of business

It could take longer. I'm thinking the real winners in these comparisons are the Gremlin and the DMC-12.