GM approves a new Camaro

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Originally Posted by Martinjlm

I guess I'd wind up in the 2%. Chevrolet has Equinox and Equinox EV, Blazer and Blazer EV, Silverado and Silverado EV, Corvette and Corvette E-Ray, Corvette ZR1 and ZR1X. If they want to do a Camaro and a Camaro EV I won't hate them. Just buy the one you want, ignore the one you don't want.

I don't have anything against EV's other than the fact of the Canadian Gov trying to ram them down our throats.

I am also against badging a an EV a Camaro call it something else.

As for the Vettes those are not true hybirds the electric just adds all wheel drive and a few more ponies.

Made out of unobtainium as far as I am concerned

[1JEWLDSSRS]

Originally Posted by Bosse'sBoss

6th gen Camaro is the last Camaro build by genius Al Oppenheimer, I don't know if the 7th gen Camaro would be that good or better

Saw this come up yesterday on my YT feed.

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/G9eOS30Fmbo

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Originally Posted by cellsafemode

There are still people who think the 5th and 6th gens aren't real camaro's because they're not fbody's.

A name is just a name. Call it a camaro, call it whatever ...we'll never see another pony car.

For sure it can be silly to link the Camaro to the Fbody so much that anything else isn't considered a Camaro to them. People were mad when the Vette lost the four round taillights in 2014. I would take issue if gm used the Camaro name on a CUV/SUV as they would be using the brand equity built by over 50 years of two door sports car and essentially change its meaning. Completely up to gm but I would be disappointed. If someone tells me they drive a Mustang its no longer specific enough. The brand now covers a wide range and it was clearly done to help sell a CUV that might not have stood on its own. Does F150 need an SUV or does Bronco need a car variant? Not sure why this was only done to the Mustang but to me it diluted the brand.

Not sure what you mean by we'll never see another pony car.

Originally Posted by blackgloves

12 pages in and people are still talking crossover and electric? Lol

GM announced it was being built on the Alpha II platform which means 99% chance its a car.

Unless I'm missing something gm hasn't officially confirmed or denied anything yet.

[cellsafemode]

Originally Posted by blackgloves

12 pages in and people are still talking crossover and electric? Lol

GM announced it was being built on the Alpha II platform which means 99% chance its a car.

Why would most people be interested in anything else? New ice cars are basically not modifiable unless you have insane cash since they are already high performance, a slave to oil prices, and come with all of the drawbacks to lifetime costs.

Cost and design hold ev back and that's mostly manufacturers not wanting to build high volume cars when they can do less and make the same money with more expensive models.

Gm's crate ev system would be a good way to kinda do both on the same platform.

The market for the camaro hasn't grown since the end of the 6th gen. It's gotten smaller...otherwise we'd see significant growth in mustang and even charger/challenger sales. We do not.

They're going to need to radically change their offering to justify a new camaro's existence. An ice only pony car isn't going to cut it. Adding two more doors....it's a start ...maybe ten years ago. Unless it offers something novel in that sedan space, i dont see the point though, since sedans in general aren't popular among young men and old men who are too poor for a corvette.

It just seems like the market has moved. The demographic for a traditional camaro needs a cheap sporty coupe that they can aftermarket mod if desired. That hasn't been the camaro since the fbody camaro. The demo we have now is likely to choose to wrench older cars and buy something more convenient and the young have been priced out.

I suspect gm will make a poor decision around the camaro because that's just what they like to do it seems, so i do not hold out hope that they will produce something i want...or that the market will support. Maybe they will produce something this forum wants...at least for a couple years before shutting down production because they're not making money.

[Devstrike]

I do not think we will see a 100% EV Camaro for a bit at least. The Dodge Charger EV didn't win customers over well and in recent Q1 sales it only sold 240 Charger BEVs. GM is probably (If the 7th gen is indeed Greenlit) start with a V8 then maybe a Hybrid V8 before even entering the realm of full EV. They have data presented to them that the EV has a strong case to not work and they already have an EV crossover.

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I don’t ever want to drive an appliance. No ev for me.

[Martinjlm]

Originally Posted by Devstrike

I do not think we will see a 100% EV Camaro for a bit at least. The Dodge Charger EV didn't win customers over well and in recent Q1 sales it only sold 240 Charger BEVs. GM is probably (If the 7th gen is indeed Greenlit) start with a V8 then maybe a Hybrid V8 before even entering the realm of full EV. They have data presented to them that the EV has a strong case to not work and they already have an EV crossover.

The thing about the Charger EV is it didn't fail because it's an EV, it failed because it isn't a good EV and it isn't a good muscle car either. It failed to learn lessons GM and Ford learned and implemented in their EVs.

It is not efficient as an EV. The software in the infotainment system is slow and buggy. It's heavy, even for an EV which are heavy by nature due to battery size. And, more importantly, they completely missed the pricing angle. It launched priced higher than a Cadillac Lyriq. Really? That would be like launching the gas version priced higher than a CT5. Oh...wait...they did that too.

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Originally Posted by cellsafemode

There are still people who think the 5th and 6th gens aren't real camaro's because they're not fbody's.

A name is just a name. Call it a camaro, call it whatever ...we'll never see another pony car. The right competitive vehicle is against the mach e. I'd certainly like to see something smaller than the mach-e though. I'm just not delusional to think any new cars are going to fit the basically nonexistent market that i really prefer and that i've driven across 3 generations. So the option is either an overly expensive and year long retrofit...or the closest thing that is available that's new. I dont mind if they call it a camaro... It's not like any other potential offering that isn't electric would be any closer to past camaro's.

Luckily i'm not in the market yet. My 2016 still has another 10 years of life...easily. i can wait for solid state batteries to eliminate the need for huge batteries and open up design options.

The F Body Godfather (Scott Stettlemire) would disagree.

I said to him(FBG) at a car show in Fort Erie "too bad they aren't Fbodies anymore"

He promptly showed me the VIN on his ZL1 Convertible and sure enough there was an F in it and all the 5ths have it.

I have never looked at a 6th that closely so I don't know

So they(5th) are F Bodies

[Malbjey]

Originally Posted by blackgloves

12 pages in and people are still talking crossover and electric? Lol

GM announced it was being built on the Alpha II platform which means 99% chance its a car.

Seriously this. Some people on this forum want to be mad about something, so speculating on an EV/crossover Camaro is a fun pastime for them.


A Camaro in those forms make even less sense, especially if the rumors of Cadillac and Buick sedans on the platform are true. Why would GM make Alpha 2 sedans for Cadillac and Buick, but make the Camaro a crossover or EV?

[Mr_Draco]

If it was going to be a crossover it would be on the VSS-F platform that the Trax and other SUVs and CUVs use. If it was going to be an EV, it would be on their Battery platform that all their EV's use.

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Originally Posted by Malbjey

Seriously this. Some people on this forum want to be mad about something, so speculating on an EV/crossover Camaro is a fun pastime for them.


A Camaro in those forms make even less sense, especially if the rumors of Cadillac and Buick sedans on the platform are true. Why would GM make Alpha 2 sedans for Cadillac and Buick, but make the Camaro a crossover or EV?

Given the precedent for cashing in on brand dilution at Ford, and the ever increasing regulatory constraints, having lowered expectations is natural for a group of (mostly) brand loyal V8 peformance enthusiasts. However, despite all the L87 and other QA debacles, I have hope for the GEN VI engines.

2027 Patent-Pending System: A new, patented cylinder deactivation system, expected for 2027, aims to use rocker arms and hydraulic oil to reduce complexity compared to current lifter-based DFM, potentially fixing the oil starvation and failure issues.

Hopefully this can be disabled through software or another RANGE type OBDII module, and be as reliable as if was never there.

[DeuceCam]

LS6 with M6 would be killer. They need to keep with the refined drivers car theme. I'm ok with added visibility as long as the seat still goes down LOW like a Gen 6, as proper drivers car should. If they don't offer an M6 (God forbid) they better have a damn good dual clutch setup. I hope for a hot version with the LT6

GM, you know what to do. Don't let us down.

[cellsafemode]

Originally Posted by 102SS

The F Body Godfather (Scott Stettlemire) would disagree.

I said to him(FBG) at a car show in Fort Erie "too bad they aren't Fbodies anymore"

He promptly showed me the VIN on his ZL1 Convertible and sure enough there was an F in it and all the 5ths have it.

I have never looked at a 6th that closely so I don't know

So they(5th) are F Bodies

An f body has nothing to do with the vin. That's not what people are referring to when they dont consider the 5th and 6th as real camaro's. It's the physical body of the car.

There is a massive difference in every way between those 4th to 2nd gen cars and the 5th and 6th. Nobody is going 'oh it has the same letter in the vin...it's the same'.

This does go to show, though, that gm doesn't care about names...but they know some of their customers do...even more than what their eyes tell them.

They'll call whatever they want a camaro. Throw some superficial call back and some people will buy it just for that reason. The 30 other people will buy it for all the other reasons. Everyone else will be buying a different car, like they've been doing because gm seems intent on making crap nobody really wants and hopes the government uses laws to keep us from alternatives.

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Originally Posted by cellsafemode

An f body has nothing to do with the vin. That's not what people are referring to when they dont consider the 5th and 6th as real camaro's. It's the physical body of the car.

There is a massive difference in every way between those 4th to 2nd gen cars and the 5th and 6th. Nobody is going 'oh it has the same letter in the vin...it's the same'.

This does go to show, though, that gm doesn't care about names...but they know some of their customers do...even more than what their eyes tell them.

They'll call whatever they want a camaro. Throw some superficial call back and some people will buy it just for that reason. The 30 other people will buy it for all the other reasons. Everyone else will be buying a different car, like they've been doing because gm seems intent on making crap nobody really wants and hopes the government uses laws to keep us from alternatives.

Well if the body chassis has something to do with it the first Gen 67-69 were the only real F Bodies by your description.

Gen 2 got bigger and heavier and the unibody was significantly different and the car took on a more Euro appearance.

Gen 3 saw another increase in size and weight plus a new unibody and the first 4 cylinder model

Gen 4 saw a completely new firewall forward suspension and a slightly modified unibody which increased rigidity.

Gen 5 saw the car go future meets retro with a lot of the styling cues taken from the popular 1969 model

GM was hindered on what they could do with the car as the Zeta platform was the only RWD car platform remaining

A lot of chopping cutting and narrowing got the car down in size and weight from its Aussie cousins but it was still bigger and heavier than any previous Camaro and the Zeta 2 chassis was born.

The car was a smash hit and helped save GM

The 6th Gen was a clean sheet design that borrowed heavily from the 5th on styling cues but shrunk in size and weight for the first time in the cars history.

The cars handling/ performance and Alpha chassis received rave reviews from the automotive press but sales dropped significantly from the Gen 5.

The best and fastest Camaro's ever built were doomed from day one as the interior was cramped and the trunk was the size of the 5th gens glovebox

Long story short they are all F bodies and follow the same design cues Long hood short rear deck and powerful V8's on the menu.