NCAA Football Trash Talk Thread.... - Page 171

1320junkie · 11-08-2009, 08:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PQ

My point is that for 20 years now, all i've heard is how the Southeast teams are far superior. Even before the current SEC. I remember arguing with an Alabama fan after OU beat Arkansas. I felt pretty good about it and this Bama jackass tells me how Arkansas sucked and the Big 8 sucked. Now I still know this dude (old Army buddy) and now that Arkansas is in the SEC they are so tough. Sure it's not the same era but the mentallity still remains. If Bama were to barely beat Arkansas this year it would be "Hey, that shows you how tough the SEC is to play in" but if Arkansas were to move to the Big 12 next year and OU or Texas struggled it would be "You guys struggled against Arkansas?"

It gets old. I don't argue the SEC has been the toughest more times than any other conference over the passed 6 years but you guys act like the rest of the country suck. Saying stuff like, USC or Texas would lose 4 games every year if they played in the SEC. You don't see how rediculous that sounds.

you just sound like a hater...lmao..we are used to people like you...lol

Zeus · 11-08-2009, 08:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PQ

My point is that for 20 years now, all i've heard is how the Southeast teams are far superior. Even before the current SEC. I remember arguing with an Alabama fan after OU beat Arkansas. I felt pretty good about it and this Bama jackass tells me how Arkansas sucked and the Big 8 sucked. Now I still know this dude (old Army buddy) and now that Arkansas is in the SEC they are so tough. Sure it's not the same era but the mentallity still remains. If Bama were to barely beat Arkansas this year it would be "Hey, that shows you how tough the SEC is to play in" but if Arkansas were to move to the Big 12 next year and OU or Texas struggled it would be "You guys struggled against Arkansas?"

It gets old. I don't argue the SEC has been the toughest more times than any other conference over the passed 6 years but you guys act like the rest of the country suck. Saying stuff like, USC or Texas would lose 4 games every year if they played in the SEC. You don't see how rediculous that sounds.

I don't know anyone who has ever said that USC (Texas shouldn't be in the conversation, their program isn't on USC's level year in and year out) would loose 4 games a year in the SEC. I see your point about teams that may just be average but get a good rep because they play in the SEC, and I think SEC haters love to rip on the SEC's reputation by bringing up those middle of the road teams and ignoring the good ones.

The SEC isn't the best conference in football because every team is amazing, its the best because the South East region produces the best talent, which makes for the best recruiting, which gives the SEC Powerhouses advantages on their roster. I know you think recruiting is boring, but can you think of a state that harbor's 3 program's more successful than Florida, Miami and Florida State? All three have dominated college football at some point in time... and It's not because they get their recruits from Texas...(yes I know FSU and UM are in the ACC, im talking about the region)

The easy access to hometown recruits keeps the SEC going strong, and lets be honest, if your a big time recruit why wouldn't you go to one of the SEC powerhouses? If you win out your a shoe in for the championship. Recently the SEC has separated itself from the competition, like I cited before 4 Championship's in 6 years with one undefeated team left without a shot. The best recruits bring in the best coaches who build the best programs which makes for the most competitive conference.

Jekyll-N-Hyde · 11-08-2009, 08:52 PM

We can all sit here and say my team would do this and my team would do that.
We dont know what our teams would do unless it was in the situation to begin with.
I dont think you can say this confrence is better than this confrence why not ?
Any given year.....some are up and some are down.
OU is rebuilding this year.

I cant speak for the big12 north however when it comes to a NORMAL year of football ( especially at our own home fields ) I will take Texas and OU over any yes ANY Team.
You dont WALK into Austin or Norman and "Win"

Texas plays better imo at times when on the road and when they are doubted.

Thats why I say keep talking bad about us lol Our players feed off it.

I know one thing Florida better get Tebow used to throwing the ball and quit relying on the run because he won't Win a NC with his Legs this year.... it will have to be by his arm. I cant speak for anyone else but if we get a chance to be at the NC game our #1 thing is NO TO THE RUN.

Zeus · 11-08-2009, 09:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jekyll-N-Hyde

We can all sit here and say my team would do this and my team would do that.
We dont know what our teams would do unless it was in the situation to begin with.
I dont think you can say this confrence is better than this confrence why not ?
Any given year.....some are up and some are down.
OU is rebuilding this year.

I cant speak for the big12 north however when it comes to a NORMAL year of football ( especially at our own home fields ) I will take Texas and OU over any yes ANY Team.
You dont WALK into Austin or Norman and "Win"

Texas plays better imo at times when on the road and when they are doubted.

Thats why I say keep talking bad about us lol Our players feed off it.

I know one thing Florida better get Tebow used to throwing the ball and quit relying on the run because he won't Win a NC with his Legs this year.... it will have to be by his arm. I cant speak for anyone else but if we get a chance to be at the NC game our #1 thing is NO TO THE RUN.

I hope this wasn't in response to my post, seeing as it made no attempt to even discuss what I said.

ShnOmac · 11-08-2009, 09:03 PM

Here is a good read for you PQ.....

The SEC is Overrated
Monday, July 27, 2009, 03:54 PM EST [General]

I've ranted on this topic for some time now.

The "SEC fans" who root for a Conference, which does not play ANY games (only teams do, as I have to continually point out to the Southerners), are among the most vociferous * rooters in the country.

They even have a Conference Yell, believe it or not. "SEC! SEC! SEC!" can be heard in a cacophonous din behind Lee Corso on many Game Day shows. Now, what the hell does rooting for a Conference actually mean? It would be like someone at the Olympic Games yelling, "North America! North America! North America!", or "Western Hemisphere! etc."

The SEC fans all understand what it means: "I am rooting for 12 teams, 10% of the Div I NCAA teams all at once. My set of teams is superior to ANY other set of teams in the country, even though the two sets will never play each other.

Now, if my favorite individual team (if any, as I may or may not have one, just as I may or may not actually have attended any college, SEC or otherwise) plays another SEC team, I still root for both of them. If I support, say, LSU, and LSU plays Alabama, I will root for LSU, but still support Alabama."

Got that?

Since the SEC has a set of teams which are often on paper roughly comparable in talent, the SEC Fan claims that this proves that the SEC is the "toughest Conference," despite being unable to say or prove exactly what being the "toughest Conference" means, when Conferences do not play each other, and National Title trophies do not have Conference membership on them.

The SEC Fan is unwilling to admit that the same result would occur if all the SEC teams were of lower, or average quality, as if it were of higher quality.

Still with me?

The SEC gets favorable treatment from the media in:

- The SEC usually has 4-5 or even more teams in the preseason TOP 25, which influences the BCS rating initally, AND later due to Strength of Schedule (SOS) illogical comparisons. Illogical because the BEST Team in the country could easily be from the "weakest" Conference, no matter what "weakest" means. (see above.) Worse, SOS does not mean ANYTHING as it begs its own issue.

- These preseason placements are not done by high powered, competent, analysts, but by media personalities and sportswriters mostly living either on the East Coast or in the same time zone as the SEC teams.

- The SEC has some media personalities totally browbeaten by their adamant insistence of "SEC Superiority" without any objective proof, including Kirk Herbstreit, even though he went to Ohio State. To question this superiority invokes all kinds of SEC viewer backlash, as if this were an unquestioned fact, and how dare it be challenged, etc.

- A viewer is often barraged with such terms as "an SEC defense", implying that this is an actual defensive scheme or populated by superior athletes, all without any proof whatsoever. Further, many of the most innovative football schema have come out of the Pac 10, such as "The West Coast Offense", which actually IS an offensive strategic technology.

- Media visiting the West Coast late in the past several years are all surprised to find that USC is quite obviously superior to even the best SEC teams. These broadcasters often express doubt about the Trojans at the start of the broadcast, and at the end are fully convinced to the contrary.

This is because they come in biased towards SEC teams, having not considered others objectively.

- The East Coast media almost never see Pac 10 games live in prime time due to the time zone differences and the West Coast games early in the season being played normally at night to avoid the heat issues in September.

- The media are often stunned at the number of NFL draft choices coming out of the Pac 10 in general, and USC in particular, for all the above reasons.

USC alone has had 21 NFL draft choices in the past two years, amounting to an entire USC team being drafted as an NFL "team." Yet, neither year has USC been voted into the BCS Title game, despite having the same record as at least one of the teams chosen. (see above pre-season polls and media bias)

All in all, and as a result of the above, the BCS system is a tilted playing field, in favor of the SEC teams, and these comments do not exhaust the many other pertinent issues, such as conference championship preference due to extra games, cupcake team scheduling by many SEC schools, etc.

CONCLUSIONS: The SEC is highly overrated and the BCS Title Team choice is influenced and distorted due to this farcial deference.

FIX: A Playoff system, such as used in Div. II and virtually every other NCAA sport.

If the SEC really were "Superior", they would welcome a Playoff System. But, they don't, and it is not hard to figure out why.

* Meaning as used here, loud, vocal, boisterous, often drunken and boorish behavior.
http://community.foxsports.com/alexr...c_is_overrated

Zeus · 11-08-2009, 09:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ShnOmac

Here is a good read for you PQ.....

The SEC is Overrated
Monday, July 27, 2009, 03:54 PM EST [General]

I've ranted on this topic for some time now.

The "SEC fans" who root for a Conference, which does not play ANY games (only teams do, as I have to continually point out to the Southerners), are among the most vociferous * rooters in the country.

They even have a Conference Yell, believe it or not. "SEC! SEC! SEC!" can be heard in a cacophonous din behind Lee Corso on many Game Day shows. Now, what the hell does rooting for a Conference actually mean? It would be like someone at the Olympic Games yelling, "North America! North America! North America!", or "Western Hemisphere! etc."

The SEC fans all understand what it means: "I am rooting for 12 teams, 10% of the Div I NCAA teams all at once. My set of teams is superior to ANY other set of teams in the country, even though the two sets will never play each other.

Now, if my favorite individual team (if any, as I may or may not have one, just as I may or may not actually have attended any college, SEC or otherwise) plays another SEC team, I still root for both of them. If I support, say, LSU, and LSU plays Alabama, I will root for LSU, but still support Alabama."

Got that?

Since the SEC has a set of teams which are often on paper roughly comparable in talent, the SEC Fan claims that this proves that the SEC is the "toughest Conference," despite being unable to say or prove exactly what being the "toughest Conference" means, when Conferences do not play each other, and National Title trophies do not have Conference membership on them.

The SEC Fan is unwilling to admit that the same result would occur if all the SEC teams were of lower, or average quality, as if it were of higher quality.

Still with me?

The SEC gets favorable treatment from the media in:

- The SEC usually has 4-5 or even more teams in the preseason TOP 25, which influences the BCS rating initally, AND later due to Strength of Schedule (SOS) illogical comparisons. Illogical because the BEST Team in the country could easily be from the "weakest" Conference, no matter what "weakest" means. (see above.) Worse, SOS does not mean ANYTHING as it begs its own issue.

- These preseason placements are not done by high powered, competent, analysts, but by media personalities and sportswriters mostly living either on the East Coast or in the same time zone as the SEC teams.

- The SEC has some media personalities totally browbeaten by their adamant insistence of "SEC Superiority" without any objective proof, including Kirk Herbstreit, even though he went to Ohio State. To question this superiority invokes all kinds of SEC viewer backlash, as if this were an unquestioned fact, and how dare it be challenged, etc.

- A viewer is often barraged with such terms as "an SEC defense", implying that this is an actual defensive scheme or populated by superior athletes, all without any proof whatsoever. Further, many of the most innovative football schema have come out of the Pac 10, such as "The West Coast Offense", which actually IS an offensive strategic technology.

- Media visiting the West Coast late in the past several years are all surprised to find that USC is quite obviously superior to even the best SEC teams. These broadcasters often express doubt about the Trojans at the start of the broadcast, and at the end are fully convinced to the contrary.

This is because they come in biased towards SEC teams, having not considered others objectively.

- The East Coast media almost never see Pac 10 games live in prime time due to the time zone differences and the West Coast games early in the season being played normally at night to avoid the heat issues in September.

- The media are often stunned at the number of NFL draft choices coming out of the Pac 10 in general, and USC in particular, for all the above reasons.

USC alone has had 21 NFL draft choices in the past two years, amounting to an entire USC team being drafted as an NFL "team." Yet, neither year has USC been voted into the BCS Title game, despite having the same record as at least one of the teams chosen. (see above pre-season polls and media bias)

All in all, and as a result of the above, the BCS system is a tilted playing field, in favor of the SEC teams, and these comments do not exhaust the many other pertinent issues, such as conference championship preference due to extra games, cupcake team scheduling by many SEC schools, etc.

CONCLUSIONS: The SEC is highly overrated and the BCS Title Team choice is influenced and distorted due to this farcial deference.

FIX: A Playoff system, such as used in Div. II and virtually every other NCAA sport.

If the SEC really were "Superior", they would welcome a Playoff System. But, they don't, and it is not hard to figure out why.

* Meaning as used here, loud, vocal, boisterous, often drunken and boorish behavior.
http://community.foxsports.com/alexr...c_is_overrated

Nice article. Hilarious coming from a USC Grad

"Annddd erhhh..... even though USC is superior in every way to the best SEC teams.... the Gophers are the pinnacle of college football and we deserve a mulligan!!!!"

Anyways, that prick should read the post I made above about recruiting and how it effects the teams.... or he could look at history.... Either way, FAIL.

Thanks for the laugh lol.

1320junkie · 11-08-2009, 09:17 PM

Since we are just googling to state our individual cases from any source here ya go:
http://www.secsportsfan.com/best-col...onference.html

1320junkie · 11-08-2009, 09:18 PM

Here is another one:
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2...-in-the-nation

ShnOmac · 11-08-2009, 09:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 1320junkie

Since we are just googling to state our individual cases from any source here ya go:
http://www.secsportsfan.com/best-col...onference.html

Yep not even gonn click on that one

1320junkie · 11-08-2009, 09:19 PM

Damn you ESPN!! Saying that the SEC is the best Conference...
http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/column...ark&id=4564641

ShnOmac · 11-08-2009, 09:20 PM

Or that one....

1320junkie · 11-08-2009, 09:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ShnOmac

www.secsportsfan.com..... Yep not even gonn click on that one

hey its better the a USC grad writing it..i put one up from ESPn last month for you though

Zeus · 11-08-2009, 09:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 1320junkie

Damn you ESPN!! Saying that the SEC is the best Conference...
http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/column...ark&id=4564641

Those Bastards!!!!

1320junkie · 11-08-2009, 09:22 PM

Dangit..first ESPN now USAToday..damn them and their rankings...lol

SEC football is the best college gridiron has to offer

By Jack Carey, USA TODAY
The debate is as old as college football itself: Where are the best teams? With the increased importance of conferences in the latter part of the 20th century, the focus could be narrowed. Over the years, some leagues have grown, some have disappeared, but the argument remains. Deciding which league has been tops might be only a matter of opinion.
But USA TODAY has attempted to take a quantitative look at some comparative factors for the six leagues that have automatic berths in the Bowl Championship Series, starting in 1998. We looked at seven elements we think give a picture of a well-rounded football league. The Southeastern Conference is at the top in five, marking success over the past 10 seasons. Analysts and many fans who were polled agreed.

From week to week this season it has been difficult to determine which college football teams are the best in the nation.

There has been far less debate over which conference has been tops in the Bowl Championship Series era.

Through all the chaos, controversy, unexpected outcomes, pleas for a playoff and tweaks to the BCS formula the past decade, the Southeastern Conference stands as the best Division I-A league.

The SEC has provided a national-high three BCS champs since 1998: Tennessee that season, LSU in 2003 and Florida last season.

That's only one more champ than the Big 12 has produced in the BCS era (Oklahoma in 2000 and Texas in 2005). But the SEC also has had more teams ranked in the final USA TODAY Coaches Poll and has had the most first-round NFL draft picks when compared with the other five BCS-affiliated conferences.

Southern California has won two national titles for the Pacific-10 in the BCS era, with the 2003 crown shared with LSU. USC finished first in the Associated Press rankings that season, which was the only time in the BCS period that the championship was split.

As the 2007 season winds down, the SEC again looks strong. LSU sits atop the BCS standings and is two victories from playing for its second national title in five years.

A USA TODAY/Gallup Poll favors the SEC, with 30% of respondents saying the conference, which is celebrating its 75th anniversary, has been the best of the past decade.

The nationwide survey was conducted Nov. 2-4, asking more than 500 respondents classifying themselves as college football fans.

"Top to bottom, the SEC has been that conference long-term," says Fox and Big Ten Network football analyst Charles Davis, a former defensive back at Tennessee.

"I think back to the late 1990s, when Florida was winning, and Tennessee and Florida were already deciding the SEC East (Division) in September. Then Georgia re-emerged. Then LSU jumped in, and then Auburn jumped in."

ESPN analyst Lou Holtz, who most recently coached at South Carolina, gives credit to the Pacific-10 for scheduling an extra league game when the NCAA began allowing 12-game schedules. He thinks Pac-10 offenses are more advanced than what is typically the case in the SEC.

But in the end, Holtz gives the nod to the SEC as the best.

"The first part of the year, you can be doing good, but you just get beat up week after week in that league," says Holtz, who also coached in the Atlantic Coast Conference, the Big Ten, the old Southwest Conference and at independent Notre Dame.

"And it's a religion down there, just a passion. We never had an empty seat at (South Carolina). We'd be 11th in the country in attendance and sixth in the SEC."

CBS football analyst Gary Danielson, who played at Purdue, believes the SEC and Big Ten look like the "co-best leagues" over time. But he says the SEC, traditionally, has been stellar.

"The top 30 or 40 teams, in a one-game situation, could beat each other," says Danielson, who earlier in his broadcasting career analyzed games for ABC and ESPN. "But the SEC is tougher with the most NFL players and the most history of (fans) going to games. It's 75 years of tradition, and the away games are brutal.

"It's not that all the teams are always great, but it's that football means a lot. Even Kentucky sells out every game. So it's very important to the kids who grow up in (the SEC's region) and to the fans who go."

Danielson thinks the SEC, Big Ten, Big 12 and Pac-10 are on a different level than the ACC and Big East.

ESPN analyst Lee Corso believes the SEC has been the best league of the past decade but says the Pac-10 is tops this season.

"The skill-position players in the Pac-10, particularly at quarterback, make it the best this year," Corso says. Florida's Tim Tebow "is the best quarterback in the SEC, but nobody else is really that close to some of the quarterbacks in the Pac-10."

The Pac-10 "has modern offenses and skilled athletes," Corso says. "But over the long period, the SEC has been dominant because of speed on defense."

As Davis points out, such debates are sometimes not easily resolved, especially considering what has been in evidence in recent seasons.

"Any team can jump up," Davis says. "Look at Mississippi State, Connecticut, Cincinnati — even Rutgers had a chance at the whole deal late last season, and they ended up in the Texas Bowl.

"It's a razor's edge of a difference sometimes."

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11-08-2009, 08:52 PM	#2383
Jekyll-N-Hyde I put the FU back in FUN Drives: 1969 SS 396 , 2010 Camaro SS Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Between Weatherford and Azle TX hway730 Posts: 2,129	We can all sit here and say my team would do this and my team would do that. We dont know what our teams would do unless it was in the situation to begin with. I dont think you can say this confrence is better than this confrence why not ? Any given year.....some are up and some are down. OU is rebuilding this year. I cant speak for the big12 north however when it comes to a NORMAL year of football ( especially at our own home fields ) I will take Texas and OU over any yes ANY Team. You dont WALK into Austin or Norman and "Win" Texas plays better imo at times when on the road and when they are doubted. Thats why I say keep talking bad about us lol Our players feed off it. I know one thing Florida better get Tebow used to throwing the ball and quit relying on the run because he won't Win a NC with his Legs this year.... it will have to be by his arm. I cant speak for anyone else but if we get a chance to be at the NC game our #1 thing is NO TO THE RUN.

11-08-2009, 09:03 PM	#2385
ShnOmac Drives: 2006 Silverado SS, 2009 G8 GT Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: PNW Posts: 13,313	Here is a good read for you PQ..... The SEC is Overrated Monday, July 27, 2009, 03:54 PM EST [General] I've ranted on this topic for some time now. The "SEC fans" who root for a Conference, which does not play ANY games (only teams do, as I have to continually point out to the Southerners), are among the most vociferous * rooters in the country. They even have a Conference Yell, believe it or not. "SEC! SEC! SEC!" can be heard in a cacophonous din behind Lee Corso on many Game Day shows. Now, what the hell does rooting for a Conference actually mean? It would be like someone at the Olympic Games yelling, "North America! North America! North America!", or "Western Hemisphere! etc." The SEC fans all understand what it means: "I am rooting for 12 teams, 10% of the Div I NCAA teams all at once. My set of teams is superior to ANY other set of teams in the country, even though the two sets will never play each other. Now, if my favorite individual team (if any, as I may or may not have one, just as I may or may not actually have attended any college, SEC or otherwise) plays another SEC team, I still root for both of them. If I support, say, LSU, and LSU plays Alabama, I will root for LSU, but still support Alabama." Got that? Since the SEC has a set of teams which are often on paper roughly comparable in talent, the SEC Fan claims that this proves that the SEC is the "toughest Conference," despite being unable to say or prove exactly what being the "toughest Conference" means, when Conferences do not play each other, and National Title trophies do not have Conference membership on them. The SEC Fan is unwilling to admit that the same result would occur if all the SEC teams were of lower, or average quality, as if it were of higher quality. Still with me? The SEC gets favorable treatment from the media in: - The SEC usually has 4-5 or even more teams in the preseason TOP 25, which influences the BCS rating initally, AND later due to Strength of Schedule (SOS) illogical comparisons. Illogical because the BEST Team in the country could easily be from the "weakest" Conference, no matter what "weakest" means. (see above.) Worse, SOS does not mean ANYTHING as it begs its own issue. - These preseason placements are not done by high powered, competent, analysts, but by media personalities and sportswriters mostly living either on the East Coast or in the same time zone as the SEC teams. - The SEC has some media personalities totally browbeaten by their adamant insistence of "SEC Superiority" without any objective proof, including Kirk Herbstreit, even though he went to Ohio State. To question this superiority invokes all kinds of SEC viewer backlash, as if this were an unquestioned fact, and how dare it be challenged, etc. - A viewer is often barraged with such terms as "an SEC defense", implying that this is an actual defensive scheme or populated by superior athletes, all without any proof whatsoever. Further, many of the most innovative football schema have come out of the Pac 10, such as "The West Coast Offense", which actually IS an offensive strategic technology. - Media visiting the West Coast late in the past several years are all surprised to find that USC is quite obviously superior to even the best SEC teams. These broadcasters often express doubt about the Trojans at the start of the broadcast, and at the end are fully convinced to the contrary. This is because they come in biased towards SEC teams, having not considered others objectively. - The East Coast media almost never see Pac 10 games live in prime time due to the time zone differences and the West Coast games early in the season being played normally at night to avoid the heat issues in September. - The media are often stunned at the number of NFL draft choices coming out of the Pac 10 in general, and USC in particular, for all the above reasons. USC alone has had 21 NFL draft choices in the past two years, amounting to an entire USC team being drafted as an NFL "team." Yet, neither year has USC been voted into the BCS Title game, despite having the same record as at least one of the teams chosen. (see above pre-season polls and media bias) All in all, and as a result of the above, the BCS system is a tilted playing field, in favor of the SEC teams, and these comments do not exhaust the many other pertinent issues, such as conference championship preference due to extra games, cupcake team scheduling by many SEC schools, etc. CONCLUSIONS: The SEC is highly overrated and the BCS Title Team choice is influenced and distorted due to this farcial deference. FIX: A Playoff system, such as used in Div. II and virtually every other NCAA sport. If the SEC really were "Superior", they would welcome a Playoff System. But, they don't, and it is not hard to figure out why. * Meaning as used here, loud, vocal, boisterous, often drunken and boorish behavior. http://community.foxsports.com/alexr...c_is_overrated

11-08-2009, 09:17 PM	#2387
1320junkie Drives: The Imperial Army Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: The Darkside Posts: 15,742	Since we are just googling to state our individual cases from any source here ya go: http://www.secsportsfan.com/best-col...onference.html

11-08-2009, 09:18 PM	#2388
1320junkie Drives: The Imperial Army Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: The Darkside Posts: 15,742	Here is another one: http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2...-in-the-nation

11-08-2009, 09:19 PM	#2390
1320junkie Drives: The Imperial Army Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: The Darkside Posts: 15,742	Damn you ESPN!! Saying that the SEC is the best Conference... http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/column...ark&id=4564641

11-08-2009, 09:20 PM	#2391
ShnOmac Drives: 2006 Silverado SS, 2009 G8 GT Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: PNW Posts: 13,313	Or that one....

11-08-2009, 09:22 PM	#2394
1320junkie Drives: The Imperial Army Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: The Darkside Posts: 15,742	Dangit..first ESPN now USAToday..damn them and their rankings...lol SEC football is the best college gridiron has to offer By Jack Carey, USA TODAY The debate is as old as college football itself: Where are the best teams? With the increased importance of conferences in the latter part of the 20th century, the focus could be narrowed. Over the years, some leagues have grown, some have disappeared, but the argument remains. Deciding which league has been tops might be only a matter of opinion. But USA TODAY has attempted to take a quantitative look at some comparative factors for the six leagues that have automatic berths in the Bowl Championship Series, starting in 1998. We looked at seven elements we think give a picture of a well-rounded football league. The Southeastern Conference is at the top in five, marking success over the past 10 seasons. Analysts and many fans who were polled agreed. From week to week this season it has been difficult to determine which college football teams are the best in the nation. There has been far less debate over which conference has been tops in the Bowl Championship Series era. Through all the chaos, controversy, unexpected outcomes, pleas for a playoff and tweaks to the BCS formula the past decade, the Southeastern Conference stands as the best Division I-A league. The SEC has provided a national-high three BCS champs since 1998: Tennessee that season, LSU in 2003 and Florida last season. That's only one more champ than the Big 12 has produced in the BCS era (Oklahoma in 2000 and Texas in 2005). But the SEC also has had more teams ranked in the final USA TODAY Coaches Poll and has had the most first-round NFL draft picks when compared with the other five BCS-affiliated conferences. Southern California has won two national titles for the Pacific-10 in the BCS era, with the 2003 crown shared with LSU. USC finished first in the Associated Press rankings that season, which was the only time in the BCS period that the championship was split. As the 2007 season winds down, the SEC again looks strong. LSU sits atop the BCS standings and is two victories from playing for its second national title in five years. A USA TODAY/Gallup Poll favors the SEC, with 30% of respondents saying the conference, which is celebrating its 75th anniversary, has been the best of the past decade. The nationwide survey was conducted Nov. 2-4, asking more than 500 respondents classifying themselves as college football fans. "Top to bottom, the SEC has been that conference long-term," says Fox and Big Ten Network football analyst Charles Davis, a former defensive back at Tennessee. "I think back to the late 1990s, when Florida was winning, and Tennessee and Florida were already deciding the SEC East (Division) in September. Then Georgia re-emerged. Then LSU jumped in, and then Auburn jumped in." ESPN analyst Lou Holtz, who most recently coached at South Carolina, gives credit to the Pacific-10 for scheduling an extra league game when the NCAA began allowing 12-game schedules. He thinks Pac-10 offenses are more advanced than what is typically the case in the SEC. But in the end, Holtz gives the nod to the SEC as the best. "The first part of the year, you can be doing good, but you just get beat up week after week in that league," says Holtz, who also coached in the Atlantic Coast Conference, the Big Ten, the old Southwest Conference and at independent Notre Dame. "And it's a religion down there, just a passion. We never had an empty seat at (South Carolina). We'd be 11th in the country in attendance and sixth in the SEC." CBS football analyst Gary Danielson, who played at Purdue, believes the SEC and Big Ten look like the "co-best leagues" over time. But he says the SEC, traditionally, has been stellar. "The top 30 or 40 teams, in a one-game situation, could beat each other," says Danielson, who earlier in his broadcasting career analyzed games for ABC and ESPN. "But the SEC is tougher with the most NFL players and the most history of (fans) going to games. It's 75 years of tradition, and the away games are brutal. "It's not that all the teams are always great, but it's that football means a lot. Even Kentucky sells out every game. So it's very important to the kids who grow up in (the SEC's region) and to the fans who go." Danielson thinks the SEC, Big Ten, Big 12 and Pac-10 are on a different level than the ACC and Big East. ESPN analyst Lee Corso believes the SEC has been the best league of the past decade but says the Pac-10 is tops this season. "The skill-position players in the Pac-10, particularly at quarterback, make it the best this year," Corso says. Florida's Tim Tebow "is the best quarterback in the SEC, but nobody else is really that close to some of the quarterbacks in the Pac-10." The Pac-10 "has modern offenses and skilled athletes," Corso says. "But over the long period, the SEC has been dominant because of speed on defense." As Davis points out, such debates are sometimes not easily resolved, especially considering what has been in evidence in recent seasons. "Any team can jump up," Davis says. "Look at Mississippi State, Connecticut, Cincinnati — even Rutgers had a chance at the whole deal late last season, and they ended up in the Texas Bowl. "It's a razor's edge of a difference sometimes."