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A platform is like a Conference. So let’s call Epsilon AFC. Sometimes there are variations on a platform, like Divisions in a Conference like AFC East, AFC South, AFC West, and AFC North. So, let’s call E1 AFC East and let’s call P1 AFC South. A program is like a franchise, so within the AFC East (E1) you have the Buffalo Bills (E1SC - Malibu), New England Patriots (Regal -E1SB), et cetera. And in AFC South you have the Houston Texans (Cadillac XTS - P1LL), Indy Colts (Lacrosse - E1LB), Jax Jaguars (Impala - E1LC or P1LC), et cetera. The platform refresh would then be E2 with the same body style and brand descriptors. So current Malibu is E2SC, Regal was E2SB, et cetera. Quote:
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Impala is also a bit more complicated in that when the last version of Impala was rolled out in 2014, the previous version remained in market as “Impala Limited” and was sold primarily to rental car fleets. That version of Impala was always a popular car in rental car fleets, so shifting the nameplate to Impala Limited allowed GM to continue to draw revenue from selling to rental car fleets while also keeping the new Impala out of the rental car fleets (high volume rental reduces residual rates that are used to calculate lease terms). Same thing was done with Malibu a couple times with overlapping product cycles. Remember Malibu Classic?
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By the time Epsilon came along, there was already a focused move to shift Cadillac cars to RWD. The closest thing to Epsilon in the Cadillac portfolio (other than XTS) was SRX. It was built on what was called TE platform (Theta-Epsilon). Theta is the original Equinox / Pontiac Torrent platform. Before Pontiac was dropped and Equinox switched to Global Delta platform with GMC Terrain replacing Torrent.
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09-10-2023, 11:10 AM | #8865 | |
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09-11-2023, 07:09 AM | #8866 |
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A while back I was told the P1XX cars were basically E2XX cars with a trunk extension.
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09-11-2023, 08:50 AM | #8867 | |
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Impala ended up being worn down IMO by GM. For one, the Impala line started with an uninspired design (similar to '04 Malibu). The re-design for '06 provided a bit of a bright spot, with the Impala SS. Unfortunately it seemed that by '11 that design was going stale as well. Chevy continued to use the design as rental and fleet units, and while it made profit for the company IMO it continued to promote the impala as an out of date or out of touch automobile. The re-design for '14 was fresh and ambitious, but by then a lot of the damage to the name plate was done by the previous generations. Add to it, the large car segment receded and there may have been at best one or two players left in the genre. Crossovers were emerging in the market and pushed out many of the sedan and coupes left on the market. Alas; Whether it was good or bad, to my eyes the car market has suffered and has become an uneventful arena. The car market is now an arena where it almost doesn't matter which car you buy new, as most people will keep them a few years and or until the warranty runs out, and then move on to another model. I do not see the allegiance to a brand as I once did, and the designs IMO are uninspiring and generic.
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09-11-2023, 03:25 PM | #8868 |
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Slightly over-simplified but not wrong.
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There was a time when GM took pride in every vehicle produced and their promotions substantiated it. Apparently, they chose to milk the Impala for short-term profits, by making it more utilitarian and feeding it to the fleet sharks. Unfortunately, as you mentioned, by the time they attempted reverse course, the damage was done. I absolutely love my 2019 Impala 1LT in Dark Titanium leather and Blue Velvet Metallic with a more than ample V6. Maybe someday this final generation will become collectible.
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09-12-2023, 09:22 PM | #8870 |
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That 14 was nice. It was my first car. You can legitimately fit 3 adults in the trunk. Had a Silver 14 LT
I got rid of it for my Camaro during the 20% off days in 2017. But that V6 can sing and it was good on gas. Gigantic fuel tank too and RELIABLE. There's a number of them in my town and still turn my head. Same with the 17 ~19 Lacrosse ( which I also owned for a bit). |
09-13-2023, 07:58 AM | #8871 |
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Blazer EV is finally here.....and it immediately has a stop-sale placed on it by GM. It does look great.
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09-13-2023, 08:14 AM | #8872 | |
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I hope those Blazers eventually do well for your business...Good luck. P.S. No frunk is a bummer....I don't get why they were a unique/standard thing for EVs, but the Blazer doesn't have it. |
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09-13-2023, 08:40 AM | #8873 |
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Love my '17 Impala...Last of the full-size cars...We had several full-size chevy's back in the day...'59 Biscayne, '65 Impala, '67 Impala...After those I never had much interest in them until they announced the newer full sized ones would be ending...The fleet/rental versions I never paid any attention to those. They don't bother me as far as any kind of legacy...Who really gives a crap about that anyway...I liked the '17, got a great 20% plus off deal on it. Sure, I was sentimental about the name, but the car was just what I wanted. Last of the V6, no stop-start, no cylinder de-activation, great price,huge trunk and passenger room. It's been 100% trouble free for almost six years now...
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09-13-2023, 09:46 AM | #8874 |
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Stop-sale or stop-delivery is what GM does when they find an issue with a new vehicle. Usually something found during production and can affect just a few vehicles or thousands. In the case of the Blazer EV, whatever it is, affects 1200 of them in dealer stock or in transit.
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09-13-2023, 07:16 PM | #8875 |
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Genuine automotive zealots, such as myself.
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