Dodge ending challenger & charger production

[L78toLT1]

What percentage of the driving public view cars as appliances to transport them from point A to point B? While none of us can accurately put a number on that, I believe we can agree that it's waaay the hell over 50%. For these drivers, assuming they don't drive over 250 - 300 miles per day, EVs are a far better solution. If I was working and still doing a 100 mile eound trip commute, I would be all over an EV.

[raptor5244]

This "Gateway muscle" announcement should be interesting.

[rlarsen462]

Originally Posted by cellsafemode

electricity isn't a government utility that they tax us in order to pay for.

they're almost all private companies that directly sell to consumers and exist in a market where competition can and does at times exist unless the public in a locality vote to give them monopoly rights.

At the very least, barring any kind of corporate competition, anyone with property that they own can produce their own electricity if they have access to some of the methods of doing so. This would create a natural competing price of electricity that would keep electric companies from just setting an arbitrary price like oil and gas companies do for fuel. Unless you think they'll buy all of the solar / wind / geothermal type electric production means or make them illegal and the public will just go along with that.

There is so much naivete in this post I don't know where to start.

I'm sure all those people living in the high rise apartments the .gov would love us in are going to be generating a lot of geothermal power on their property to power their EVs. About as much drilling for oil and refining into gasoline that they do in their kitchen. Jesus man.

And I think we have some very good, recent even, examples of just what the public will go along with with essentially zero resistance.

[FarmerFran]

For me personally, I would need new power from the street (I am out) and a charger put in the house. Not sure of that cost ~$10K?

But I will have my eye on Dodge's new Electric Muscle car.

[Martinjlm]

Originally Posted by raptor5244

I am not gonna lie, I do get a little envious of all the fun they have over at Dodge. At least they are making a concerted effort to transition their customer base.

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The August 17th announcement will blow the lid off this thread.

[FarmerFran]

Originally Posted by Martinjlm

The August 17th announcement will blow the lid off this thread.

I cannot wait.

[raptor5244]

Originally Posted by L78toLT1

What percentage of the driving public view cars as appliances to transport them from point A to point B? While none of us can accurately put a number on that, I believe we can agree that it's waaay the hell over 50%. For these drivers, assuming they don't drive over 250 - 300 miles per day, EVs are a far better solution. If I was working and still doing a 100 mile eound trip commute, I would be all over an EV.

Agreed. My wife drives the Tesla Model 3. We drive it about 1,000 miles per month. My electric bill went up about $25 per month. If we compared to a gas vehicle that gets 20mpg, then it would cost $200 in gas per month at $4 per gallon. You also don't require any oil changes, little to no brake dust since you hardly use the friction brakes. You don't use much energy when idling, charge at home and always leave with a "full tank" so to speak. You just keep the tire pressures correct and add washer fluid. There is no question in my mind that they are far more efficient for local city driving that most do.

EVs do have some caveats though.

- When you get into long distance road trips you have the longer charger times and inconvenience. Limited charging network unless you have a Tesla.
- EV range takes a big hit on in cold weather and driving at higher speeds where there is lots of drag and no regen.
- EVs consume some energy even when they are parked. Alarm systems, cabin overheat protection and even waking up to charge charge the 12V battery. Yes, EVs have a 12V accessories battery like ICE cars.

It goes without saying, that they tend to lack personality desired by most enthusiasts. They are great for getting the groceries and nice and quiet so you can listen to your favorite music but there is a reason I traded mine in for a ZL1. Only enthusiasts will understand.

[Martinjlm]

Originally Posted by bigd1276

My prediction is your $480/year will be rising...

Originally Posted by Martinjlm

Could be. But there’s a lot of room between the $480 that the Volt costs per year and the $3,000 that it would take to operate my MR2 at 15,000 miles per year. (15,000 miles x $0.20 / mile). I don’t drive it that much. This is just for comparing my most efficient gas vehicle to our EREV.

Originally Posted by rlarsen462

I suspect his $675/year for running the EV will be rising a lot more.

Again, a whole lotta room between $675 and $3,000. I’ll gladly take the operating cost advantage of an EV for day-to-day driving and family stuff and save the loud and rowdy petro-burning activities for my fun cars (Camaro and MR2). The money I save versus a gas CUV can go a long way towards keeping my gassy guys fed, polished, and happy.

[Alan47717]

Originally Posted by Martinjlm

Really interested on where you are getting information that EVs are getting more expensive. GM just dropped the prices on Bolt EV and Bolt EUV by more than $5,000. The reason they did that is to clear the lots before they bring in the larger, much more capable Equinox EV with a base price of around $30k. Hyundai and Kia have both recently introduced EV CUVs with 300 mile range at right around $40k which is right in the sweet spot of where CUVs are being priced.

My 2019 2.0t Equinox Premier stickered at over $39k. Do you seriously believe that GM will offer a similar electric version (sans subsidies) for the same or less money?

Me, I'm betting on the flying pigs.

A $30k Equinox created by $7500 in tax credits (my tax dollars and only usable by people with high incomes) plus using a battery subsidized by billions of dollars of my tax dollars is a hoax.

[FarmerFran]

https://www.euronews.com/green/2022/...lectric-future

[Martinjlm]

Originally Posted by FarmerFran

For me personally, I would need new power from the street (I am out) and a charger put in the house. Not sure of that cost ~$10K?

Our Level 2 Charger install cost $2,700-ish in 2012. No doubt it’s higher now. But that included installing a second meter and running cable about 30 yards to a detached garage.

Originally Posted by FarmerFran

But I will have my eye on Dodge's new Electric Muscle car.

It’s gonna be wild.

[90503]

The new and improved $7,500 Tax Credit for qualifying vehicles and tax-payers just raised the price of any future low-end EVs by, oh, I'd say around $7,500.

You didn't think the subsidy was for you now did you? Why do you think the Bolt EVs price went down after all the previous subsidies were used up by GM?

The fallacy of some market driven demand for EVs regardless of any government policy is further skewed and doomed with additional gov't waste of all tax payer's dollars. The "Transition" is further propped up by the

burden of higher and higher gasoline prices, applauded by the administration and the manufacturers of EVs.

[Wyzz Kydd]

Originally Posted by FarmerFran

https://www.euronews.com/green/2022/...lectric-future

LOL, Whoops, how inconvenient. I bet if you were hanging with the wrong crowd and mentioned that they would look at you like you just tried the one cheek sneak and failed.

[bigd1276]

Originally Posted by Martinjlm

Again, a whole lotta room between $675 and $3,000. I’ll gladly take the operating cost advantage of an EV for day-to-day driving and family stuff and save the loud and rowdy petro-burning activities for my fun cars (Camaro and MR2). The money I save versus a gas CUV can go a long way towards keeping my gassy guys fed, polished, and happy.

Save this thread and we’ll revisit in 5 years. We’ll see how much room there is then.