2024 Camaro? - Page 17

Dan82679 · 07-29-2022, 08:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Alan47717

Impossible to answer. One directly contributes to climate change through exhaust emissions and the other indirectly contributes due to the fact that 80 percent of our electricity is generated by burning coal and natural gas.

The rapid transition to EV's is perversely going keep the demand for electricity generated by coal strong for a long time. The coal lobby loves electric vehicles.

Absolutely,by me they are converting coal power plants to natural gas so those lobbyists are licking there chops.

Slippy · 07-29-2022, 08:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Dan82679

Sure dude

That’s a very compelling argument.
https://www.google.com/search?q=sola...e-gws-wiz-serp

Please tell me what temperature the efficiency rating is calculated at if it’s not 25*C?

Dan82679 · 07-29-2022, 08:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Slippy

That’s a very compelling argument.
https://www.google.com/search?q=sola...e-gws-wiz-serp

Please tell me what temperature the efficiency rating is calculated at if it’s not 25*C?

I'm not interested,I moved on from you.

Slippy · 07-29-2022, 08:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Dan82679

I'm not interested,I moved on from you.

As indicated by your reply. Please educate me, you seem very confident on the topic.

Evansa22 · 07-29-2022, 08:20 PM

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Originally Posted by zain

question: what is more damaging, using a car with a combustion engine for seven years or recycling a battery for an EV after the same period (assuming the EV used a renewable/green power source)?

No way I could possibly answer that, like Alan said. I'm in no way against clean energy, I just think the pie in the sky idea that ev's will be the end all for "clean" energy vehicles is misunderstood and isn't without its own issues that many don't realize. Which is the lesser of two evils is for yall to figure out

Dan82679 · 07-29-2022, 08:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Slippy

As indicated by your reply. Please educate me, you seem very confident on the topic.

Oh God, yes I'm confident but talking to you is like spitting in the wind. Take care

Slippy · 07-29-2022, 08:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Dan82679

Oh God, yes I'm confident but talking to you is like spitting in the wind. Take care

Then answer what temperature solar panel efficiency is tested at. It’s no fun discussing topics if others will just run off when challenged. I’ve shown you links that support the statements I make, why can’t you do the same?

It’s a weird thing to double down on when information is so easily accessible.

Change my mind, I’ll say thank you, and eat crow about being wrong.

Dan82679 · 07-29-2022, 08:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Slippy

Then answer what temperature solar panel efficiency is tested at. It’s no fun discussing topics if others will just run off when challenged. I’ve shown you links that support the statements I make, why can’t you do the same?

It’s a weird thing to double down on when information is so easily accessible.

Change my mind, I’ll say thank you and eat crow about being wrong.

Then go back to my Post's ,I'm not repeating myself.

Slippy · 07-29-2022, 08:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Dan82679

Then go back to my Post's ,I'm not repeating myself.

Just state the temperature, show everyone that you are correct and I’m ignorant.

Number 3 · 07-29-2022, 08:40 PM

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Originally Posted by raptor5244

Indeed. EVs are cloud managed devices. Also, note there are internal cabin camera and recoding of your driving. Supposedly it is in a closed loop and not shared. You can opt out of sharing your driving data as well, which can be used in the event on a crash/air bag deployment.

https://techcrunch.com/2021/05/27/te...ing-autopilot/

https://www.tesla.com/legal/privacy

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Originally Posted by BuckeyeROC

I still think a mandatory software update will come to limit speeds as well as rob EVs of their one and only trick, 0-60 times. Just wait, enough people will say there's "no need" to waste that electricity accelerating that quickly and it's "scary" doing so anyway.

LOL this is NOT specific to EVs. GM can currently download calibrations (dirty secret they did it before Tesla) at any time. And any car with ADAS level 2 also has cameras EV or ICE.

NG329 · 07-29-2022, 09:16 PM

Lots of good discussion here. Honestly, I definitely think battery technology could work but I don't think we're quite there yet. As was already mentioned, our infrastructure can't really support it. I vaguely recall last year California advised against EV owners charging their vehicles during peak hours due to strain on the grid.

Here are my concerns:

1 - Battery technology is not cheap manufacturer. Lower income families are priced out of the market.

2 - Battery Technology is not clean to manufacture or recycle.

3 - Charging algorithms are very slow. Tesla's 70% quick charge is 20 minutes, but that is an eternity at a gas station on a road trip.

4 - Risks of overcharging and fires.

5 - Health risks of radiation and emissions; Cancer etc.

6 - Expensive to replace batteries

7 - Availability of charging stations.

I'm honestly not against innovation. I just don't think this is a 5-10 year process.

90503 · 07-29-2022, 09:42 PM

Wowee, some ICE vehicles can have some things downloaded. Nothing even close though to the possibilities that EVs that affects their range, performance, speed, charging, or even the ability to operate it, etc. It's nice to know, but the comparisons are pretty weak.

Do ICE downloads make it so you can't put gas in it? Can EVs likely be told to limit charging time or usage? Or disallow charging altogether?...."Climate Emergency" anyone? Grid down or crisis mode engaged....

When "renewables" are more prevalent, look for EVs to fulfill their true mission of saving the planet by becoming completely unusable. When the wind doesn't blow, or the sun doesn't shine, or the grid is near maxed out for whatever reason, control of EVs will be on a silver platter for the crisis creating, crisis and electricity managing bureaucrats to do what is best for the common good. That is, just shut things off or the ever popular rationing. Fossil fuel generation will be eliminated in favor of the Green New Boondoggle. The EV you think you own will be only allowed limited use, if any.

Think it won't or can't happen? Good luck. Managing "your EV car" and it's precious electricity use will be child's play for the "cloud" and whoever controls it.

Gas powered, not likely near the same nightmare as techy EVs.

raptor5244 · 07-29-2022, 10:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Number 3

LOL this is NOT specific to EVs. GM can currently download calibrations (dirty secret they did it before Tesla) at any time. And any car with ADAS level 2 also has cameras EV or ICE.

Are you talking about downloading via an OBD2 connector or are they violating privacy and downloading and installing OTA connection without consent?

cooldawg · 07-29-2022, 10:41 PM

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Originally Posted by 90503

Wowee, some ICE vehicles can have some things downloaded. Nothing even close though to the possibilities that EVs that affects their range, performance, speed, charging, or even the ability to operate it, etc. It's nice to know, but the comparisons are pretty weak.

Do ICE downloads make it so you can't put gas in it? Can EVs likely be told to limit charging time or usage? Or disallow charging altogether?...."Climate Emergency" anyone? Grid down or crisis mode engaged....

When "renewables" are more prevalent, look for EVs to fulfill their true mission of saving the planet by becoming completely unusable. When the wind doesn't blow, or the sun doesn't shine, or the grid is near maxed out for whatever reason, control of EVs will be on a silver platter for the crisis creating, crisis and electricity managing bureaucrats to do what is best for the common good. That is, just shut things off or the ever popular rationing. Fossil fuel generation will be eliminated in favor of the Green New Boondoggle. The EV you think you own will be only allowed limited use, if any.

Think it won't or can't happen? Good luck. Managing "your EV car" and it's precious electricity use will be child's play for the "cloud" and whoever controls it.

Gas powered, not likely near the same nightmare as techy EVs.

Agree, 100%.

07-29-2022, 09:16 PM	#235
NG329 Drives: Chevrolet Camaro ZL1 1LE Join Date: Oct 2021 Location: NY Posts: 830	Lots of good discussion here. Honestly, I definitely think battery technology could work but I don't think we're quite there yet. As was already mentioned, our infrastructure can't really support it. I vaguely recall last year California advised against EV owners charging their vehicles during peak hours due to strain on the grid. Here are my concerns: 1 - Battery technology is not cheap manufacturer. Lower income families are priced out of the market. 2 - Battery Technology is not clean to manufacture or recycle. 3 - Charging algorithms are very slow. Tesla's 70% quick charge is 20 minutes, but that is an eternity at a gas station on a road trip. 4 - Risks of overcharging and fires. 5 - Health risks of radiation and emissions; Cancer etc. 6 - Expensive to replace batteries 7 - Availability of charging stations. I'm honestly not against innovation. I just don't think this is a 5-10 year process.

07-29-2022, 09:42 PM	#236
90503 Drives: 2011 2SS/RS LS3 Join Date: Nov 2011 Location: Torrance Posts: 14,571	Wowee, some ICE vehicles can have some things downloaded. Nothing even close though to the possibilities that EVs that affects their range, performance, speed, charging, or even the ability to operate it, etc. It's nice to know, but the comparisons are pretty weak. Do ICE downloads make it so you can't put gas in it? Can EVs likely be told to limit charging time or usage? Or disallow charging altogether?...."Climate Emergency" anyone? Grid down or crisis mode engaged.... When "renewables" are more prevalent, look for EVs to fulfill their true mission of saving the planet by becoming completely unusable. When the wind doesn't blow, or the sun doesn't shine, or the grid is near maxed out for whatever reason, control of EVs will be on a silver platter for the crisis creating, crisis and electricity managing bureaucrats to do what is best for the common good. That is, just shut things off or the ever popular rationing. Fossil fuel generation will be eliminated in favor of the Green New Boondoggle. The EV you think you own will be only allowed limited use, if any. Think it won't or can't happen? Good luck. Managing "your EV car" and it's precious electricity use will be child's play for the "cloud" and whoever controls it. Gas powered, not likely near the same nightmare as techy EVs.