The Future Of Muscle Cars (Electric Muscle Cars, etc.)

[hotlap]

Originally Posted by BlaqWhole

My point exactly.

I plan to sooner rather than later. I'll be making the switch soon enough. Mostly for the performance. If I start losing races to dweebs in Teslas then I'm jumping ship.

Here ya go. Tesla Model S Plaid. It will accelerate, in silence, so fast it will make you sick and did the Nürburgring in 7:30.9 seconds. Video below

4,766 lbs curb weight. They even factor your gas savings into the purchase price. Forget about the Z06. Sell your ZL1, Hellcat and GT. It will be great.

Cash Price $129,990
Incentives - $1,500
Gasoline savings - $5,500
Price after potential savings $122,990
Destination & doc fee $1,200

Plaid Upgrades
Included

Quickest accelerating car in production today
0-60 mph: 1.99s
1/4 mile: 9.23@155 mph trap speed
1,020 horsepower
Three high performance motors with carbon-sleeved rotors
Torque vectoring
https://www.tesla.com/models/design#overview

[BlaqWhole]

Originally Posted by hotlap

Here ya go. Tesla Model S Plaid. It will accelerate, in silence, so fast it will make you sick and did the Nürburgring in 7:30.9 seconds. Video below

4,766 lbs curb weight. They even factor your gas savings into the purchase price. Forget about the Z06. Sell your ZL1, Hellcat and GT. It will be great.

Cash Price $129,990
Incentives - $1,500
Gasoline savings - $5,500
Price after potential savings $122,990
Destination & doc fee $1,200

Plaid Upgrades
Included

Quickest accelerating car in production today
0-60 mph: 1.99s
1/4 mile: 9.23@155 mph trap speed
1,020 horsepower
Three high performance motors with carbon-sleeved rotors
Torque vectoring
https://www.tesla.com/models/design#overview


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I've been looking at them. I'm almost ready to pull the trigger on one.

[Silveradoss573]

Originally Posted by hotlap

You should sell you cars and buy a Tesla. No need to wait. Enjoy

Yeah no kidding...

[crysalis_01]

Y'all threatening Blaq with a good time?

[hotlap]

Originally Posted by crysalis_01

Y'all threatening Blaq with a good time?

Encouraging him. The future can be now. Performance for the undiscerning.

[90503]

Originally Posted by hotlap

Encouraging him. The future can be now. Performance for the undiscerning.

That Tesla should be his dream-car and put him way ahead of the game. And now's the time to get top-dollar on all the soon to be paper-weight cars he now drives.

Any delay in purchasing one would only show he's made fickle turn to the ICE "die-hard" side.

[crysalis_01]

The "undiscerning"?

It almost sounds like attempts are being made to belittle his choice to embrace the coming EV-scape. Believe me, I understand the fear that comes with ICE taking the "back seat" in this industry. It's what we've all come up with, become accustomed to, and frankly, grown complacent with. It's almost like the industry is invalidating all the work we, as enthusiasts, have put in to get where we are now. But in reality the industry doesn't care enough to purposefully invalidate us, except as a byproduct of moving to where the money is.

But change is the only real constant. It was inevitable that the ICE would taper off. Maybe we didn't want it to be now, but whether it was now, 20 years from now, of 20 years ago, whoever was around would likely feel the same as those afraid now.

Thank you for coming to my TEDtalk.

[hotlap]

Originally Posted by crysalis_01

The "undiscerning"?

It almost sounds like attempts are being made to belittle his choice to embrace the coming EV-scape. Believe me, I understand the fear that comes with ICE taking the "back seat" in this industry. It's what we've all come up with, become accustomed to, and frankly, grown complacent with. It's almost like the industry is invalidating all the work we, as enthusiasts, have put in to get where we are now. But in reality the industry doesn't care enough to purposefully invalidate us, except as a byproduct of moving to where the money is.

But change is the only real constant. It was inevitable that the ICE would taper off. Maybe we didn't want it to be now, but whether it was now, 20 years from now, of 20 years ago, whoever was around would likely feel the same as those afraid now.

Thank you for coming to my TEDtalk.

Focusing solely on acceleration without an appreciation for the fine distinctions that separate the two.

Its like going all in for fortified wine because it has higher alcohol content. It lacks all the other characteristics…

I’ve had supercharged ICE. I’ve had a new automatic. A naturally aspirated V8 with a manual is a better experience.

I watched the Tesla Nurburgring video and asked why bother. All you hear is the chassis creaking.

BEV for a passenger commuter car? Why not.?.? What difference does it make?

[hotlap]

Originally Posted by 90503

That Tesla should be his dream-car and put him way ahead of the game. And now's the time to get top-dollar on all the soon to be paper-weight cars he now drives.

Any delay in purchasing one would only show he's made fickle turn to the ICE "die-hard" side.

Now is the time to drive the wheels off your Camaro. That has been my motto for four decades. Let someone else preserve theirs for a museum

[Silveradoss573]

Originally Posted by hotlap

Now is the time to drive the wheels off your Camaro. That has been my motto for four decades. Let someone else preserve theirs for a museum

I've seen you echo this many times and I do agree. However I still believe that gas engines will be around for quite some time. I myself like others plan on holding onto my ICE rides as long as I can. And I strongly believe that big oil and gas will have the last laugh in the end.

[hotlap]

Originally Posted by Silveradoss573

I've seen you echo this many times and I do agree. However I still believe that gas engines will be around for quite some time. I myself like others plan on holding onto my ICE rides as long as I can. And I strongly believe that big oil and gas will have the last laugh in the end.

I understand.

Typically I'd sell and move on to the next. I could see myself drive this one for a while and then hold onto it as I move on.

I think about getting a classic muscle car but seriously wonder if all ICE will be ostracized by the woke mob.

[90503]

Originally Posted by Silveradoss573

I've seen you echo this many times and I do agree. However I still believe that gas engines will be around for quite some time. I myself like others plan on holding onto my ICE rides as long as I can. And I strongly believe that big oil and gas will have the last laugh in the end.

I don't believe the end of ICE light duty vehicle production will be the end of gasoline or the petroleum industry. About 40% of a barrel of oil becomes gasoline for light duty cars and trucks and all other gasoline usages. The other non-gasoline 60% has other uses. (Boats, aircraft, generators, military, etc. still need gasoline. Lubricants, plastics, etc., etc. will still need to be produced.) If anything, gasoline may turn into an excess by-product that just has to be disposed of, if not sold for gasoline uses.

Unless the government taxes and regulates it to be prohibitive to use for cars, there should be plenty of other uses for gasoline to go around for non-car use, and plenty for anyone who hasn't purchased an EV.

[Martinjlm]

Originally Posted by hotlap

Focusing solely on acceleration without an appreciation for the fine distinctions that separate the two.

Its like going all in for fortified wine because it has higher alcohol content. It lacks all the other characteristics…

I’ve had supercharged ICE. I’ve had a new automatic. A naturally aspirated V8 with a manual is a better experience.

I watched the Tesla Nurburgring video and asked why bother. All you hear is the chassis creaking.

BEV for a passenger commuter car? Why not.?.? What difference does it make?

But it’s not just acceleration. That’s all that WE talk about on THIS site. Evaluated measure for measure, the new crop of BEVs are simply better vehicles all-around than the vehicles that they will be replacing. There are many advantages from a buyer’s point of view and even more advantages from a manufacturer’s point of view. One of the reasons automakers (except Toyota) are not fighting the shift. And the only reason Toyota is fighting it is because they are significantly behind other automakers in BEV development because of their focus on hybrids and fuel cells.

By going to skateboard platforms, automakers can repackage the interior to provide more room, flat floors, and creative storage and option content. Plus automakers can reduce their vehicle development costs. EPA certification is significantly easier because…no emissions to test. And no engine calibrations to certify. And here’s where the automakers really ring the cash register. Fewer platforms. GM will replace Alpha I and II, Delta, Chi, and Gamma with BEV3. Then they’ll replace T1 and 31XX with BET. Seven platforms reduced to two. Plus they’ll make variants that they haven’t even considered before off of those two platforms. Products like the EV600 and EV410 off the BET platform. They’ve actually started a new company, BrightDrop, off of the BET platform to make BEV delivery vans to compete with Rivian. Reducing platforms saves billions of dollars that can now be redirected to further BEV product development.

Now, back to “better cars”. Compare the styling and content of the Cadillac Lyriq to the Cadillac XT5 and XT6, ignoring the propulsion system. It’s no contest. Lyriq will be a much better car. Pickup trucks will be an interesting comparison. It will depend on whether the buyer is buying a pickup truck because they like the idea of a pickup truck as a primary family vehicle (most buyers) or whether they’re buying a pickup truck because they actual tow and haul stuff more than a couple times a year. For that second group, the transition will likely take longer because of the effect of towing and hauling on battery range and life. But for a majority, an F150 Lightning may be a better all around purchase than an F-150. Especially when you include lifetime fueling costs and routine maintence in the total cost of ownership mathematics.

[ariZona28]

Here's a nice analogy for the hobbyist segment of the auto industry. Since the early 1970s Japanese motorcycles have been faster, more reliable and even cheaper than Harley-Davidsons but yet millions of folks still purchase big, slow, obnoxious American made bikes. Why? Personality and enjoyment. Our Auto hobby is the same and will continue on this path for the foreseeable future. Fancy golf carts for commuting? Sure, if that's what you want. Personal enjoyment? I'll take any of my old smelly rambunctious V8s any day. A moderate dose of CO is good for ya, probably kills Covid.