If You Hate The New Challenger?

[09'Z28]

Originally Posted by Mindz

oh, I'm not criticizing that the rectangle looks bad.

really i think your being sarcastic but could be wrong

oh and by the way to everyone complaining about people complaining about the Chally in this thread if you don't want to hear peoples complaints about it don't open the thread (unless you can post use-full info) the title should have warned you about that. wow complain was in that sentence a lot

[Mindz]

Go to bed young man...

[kevin2323]

yea you mean guy you!...lol just kidding. I expected complaining.I am just defending my baby :(.

[kamisxy]

I finally saw a charger today for the first time and was kinda dissappointed...that thing just looked like a big hunk of junk.....lol...iam not even kidding....Yude have to have the know how to know that theres a monster lurking underneath the hood

[Mindz]

Charger or challenger?

[kevin2323]

Originally Posted by kamisxy

I finally saw a charger today for the first time and was kinda dissappointed...that thing just looked like a big hunk of junk.....lol...iam not even kidding....Yude have to have the know how to know that theres a monster lurking underneath the hood

It's called a Challenger, if that is what you saw. It's big just like the old school ones.

[Rock36]

Originally Posted by Dragoneye

But the point remains....don't go throwing around "fanboys" because a decent amount of people around here don't like the Challenger. You're on a Camaro site: most people here will like the Camaro first and foremost...that's not to be unexpected.

Besides, if you hang around for any length of time, I think you'll come to see that there is also a decent amount of people who actually DO like the Challenger's looks. So hang on to that "fanboy" statement.

I think there is a level of tact that determines whether or not someone gets labeled a fanboy/fanboi.

I am speaking generally here, but people who pass opinions off as ground truth are generally fanboys. People who take their personal choice in a car too serioiusly/get defensive are generally fanboys, general close-mindedness to another cars capability or potential is a sign of a fanboy. People who can generate enough emotion to actually "hate" or strongly dislike another car are probably fanboys.


Overall I have been impressed with the general conduct of this site with regards to the Mustang and other cars. I like to share my experience of actually driving/racing a Mustang GT for over three years now, and I haven't faced really any hate in return.

[rmyers]

Originally Posted by garagelogic

Our new Camaro? Do you work for GM or something? It's funny how so many GM fanboys are down on the Challenger but ga-ga over the new Camaro when they have a lot of similar stling cues.



Oh, well, that's why they make more than one ponycar I guess. I still think it brings into question your maturity when you have to put down something else to make your own choice/opinion look better.

First off, learn to read. I did not put down the Challenger. I was the first on on the thread to complement it. All I said was that it didn't hold a candle to the looks of OUR Camaro. Secondly you should be careful to challenge someone's maturity when you don't even know me. No I don't work for GM, but I am still nonetheless as passionate about the Camaro as you apparently are about your Mustang. So if you are going to accuse me of doing something make sure you have your facts straight first.

Ron

[Beelzebubba]

I like the Challenger, BUT;

It is a recycled Mercedes Benz chassis...that's not necessarily a bad thing.

The Bean counters are ruining this thing. 4 spd automatic in the SE? WTF? I know they want to keep the costs down but c'mon. The clutch hydraulics are already in production, the six speed manual is already produced in large numbers, and I don't think that the 5 speed automatic costs that much more anyway.

I don't know why they didn't just drop the new Ram 1500's 4.7 (that's supposed to make 290-310 hp depending on which magazine you read) and six speed in it. Maybe CAFE concerns? Maybe they're expecting to sell a LOT of the updated Rams next year? (even though fullsize truck sales are down so much that you can get a new V8 F-150 Supercab for less than a Civic) Maybe the new 4.7 doesn't meet emission standards for cars.

IMHO, A 290 hp V8 Challenger under $25,000 would sell in large enough numbers to make it worthwhile.

Resurrect the Plymouth name. Give us a Barracuda variant. Hemi 'Cuda....oh, I got goosebumps just uttering that name.

GM can resurrect Oldsmobile too although I'm not sure how to make 442 work on the Zeta chassis. 400 hp, 4 passenger, 2 exhausts? Sell it at Buick dealers. 'cause their not selling anything anyway.

PISTOL GRIP! Dammit Dodge! you retro-style everything else and then stick a shifter in it that looks like a cross between a Porsche Boxster and a Mitsubishi Eclipse shifter.

And the Avenger. Charger Jr. Way to recycle a Hillman name. You don't even offer a manual transmission. What exactly is this car supposed to "avenge" with a slushbox?

And while Dodge is at it, they can stop wasting perfectly good SRT/4 engines in that ugly jellybean Caliber body. Maybe an Avenger SRT/4?

[DGthe3]

The challenger and Camaro are similar in general body shape for the side profile. But the styling details are all different. Also, the camaro weighs "only" 300 lbs less than the challenger. 300 lbs can make a pretty big difference

[09'Z28]

Originally Posted by Mindz

Go to bed young man...

why? what if i didn't want to?

[Muscle Master]

The SE is getting upgraded in two years when the 4.0 Phoenix engines comes out, don't know about a possible MT, but I heard for a V6 the Pheonix engines is a beast

And as for 2009 the Charger's Hemi's gets a boost:

For 2009, the R/T gains the more powerful 5.7-liter Hemi V-8 with 368 horsepower and 391 pound-feet of torque. AWD models now have “active transfer case and front-axle disconnect” for a seamless transition from rear- to all-wheel drive. The rear styling gets a refresh with a new retro taillamp design. SRT8 versions get a tweaked suspension and new ABS and stability-control calibrations. Dodge adds a limited-edition Super Bee “buzz model” in Hemi Orange. A limited-edition Brilliant Black Edition will follow in the spring of 2009.

And as for the Seabring/avenger, the redesign models will be here 2012/2013, give Chrysler some time they will get it rigth, and I hope they never deal with Daimler again...........bastards

[boxmonkeyracing]

no one here can dispute the fact no matter how much you like the challenger or not that at 50k it's not worth it. and if I'm labeled a fanboy because of that statement so be it. I've only owned GM products so guess that makes me a fanboy.

[Beelzebubba]

Originally Posted by Muscle Master

The SE is getting upgraded in two years when the 4.0 Phoenix engines comes out, don't know about a possible MT, but I heard for a V6 the Pheonix engines is a beast

I thought the Liberty/Nitro were getting the 4.0 Phoenix and the Challenger/Charger/300 were gettting a 3.6 variant.

It's all speculation anyway...

I'm as excited about the Challenger as I am about the Camaro

Originally Posted by Muscle Master

And as for the Seabring/avenger, the redesign models will be here 2012/2013, give Chrysler some time they will get it rigth, and I hope they never deal with Daimler again...........bastards

I have tried to find fault with that statement and cannot. It is quite possibly the most perfect statement ever.