[Nitrousbird]

2016 2SS seems like exactly what I want. Things it must have for me for certain:
- Mag ride
- 6MT and 2SS – I wouldn’t consider an auto or 1SS car.

I’d love a ’17 1LE but the values haven’t tanked enough for me yet and I like others eating the depreciation for me. I’m seeing ’16 2SS cars selling in the high 20’s now with mileage in the mid 20k range, so pricing is getting where I want it.

Questions:
- Is the dual mode exhaust a must have? Am I better negotiating price down and just going aftermarket if the car doesn’t have this option?
- Is HUD standard or an option? If an option, is it easy to retrofit?
- I assume the 8” Mylink is just standard and comes standard with Android Auto. Is there any real reason to get (or retrofit) Nav? I use Waze for all my Nav needs currently
- Do the stripes come off easily on cars so equipped? Not my thing
- Is wireless charging standard?
- Any other must-have options?

Mod wise, I’d likely keep it relatively basic; ported TB, ported IM or MSD, some sort of intake and flex fuel meter & tune as E85 is readily available here. Maybe some Forgestar F14 SDC’s with super wide rubber…something I’ve wanted to do on my BMW (lightly modded E92 335i N54 6MT car), but for the available widths/offsets, it requires too much work and the tires are a bit to stretched for my taste.

I'm very familiar with GM vehicles. My tow/haul/winter truck is a GMT900 Escalade EXT. Had a GMT800 Avalanche prior to that. Also have had a 4th Gen LT1 Firebird Formula for the last 19 years - was a head/cam/spray/12-bolt caged car before tearing her apart for a supercharged 383 build. Bought the parts, lost the interest, so I'll likely be parting her out over the next year.

Can't think of any other car that would meet my needs as well as a '16+ 2SS. F82 335i just doesn't do it for me. Like the M2 but too pricey, just like the M4. Don't like the Mustang GT; GT350 is nice but for the used prices you might as well get a '17 ZL1. E92 M3 would be fun, but I already have an E92 and I think the Camaro will end up being a nicer car. Considered a B8.5 S5 but would take a lot of modding to get to the stock LT1 level and I don't get that V8 sound that I miss.

[ChevyRules]

-NPP is a must IMHO. Gets you the gloss rear diffuser vs matte and if you want to go aftermarket, can keep NPP functionality with a compatible exhaust system.

- HUD is standard on 2SS.

- Benefit of built in nav is the speed limit will show up in the DIC/HUD.

Wireless charging is standard. Hit or miss if it will work with your phone.

[antny]

Originally Posted by ChevyRules

-NPP is a must IMHO. Gets you the gloss rear diffuser vs matte and if you want to go aftermarket, can keep NPP functionality with a compatible exhaust system.

- HUD is standard on 2SS.

- Benefit of built in nav is the speed limit will show up in the DIC/HUD.

Wireless charging is standard. Hit or miss if it will work with your phone.

Wireless is standard on the 2SS and not on a 1ss

[modru2004]

the only other note worth option i can think of is the electronically controlled diff. i know it comes standard on 1le's but im not entirely sure if that could have been added without the 1le package. if it could be added on its own it might be worth looking for. probably hard to find though.

[Nitrousbird]

Originally Posted by ChevyRules

-NPP is a must IMHO. Gets you the gloss rear diffuser vs matte and if you want to go aftermarket, can keep NPP functionality with a compatible exhaust system.

- Benefit of built in nav is the speed limit will show up in the DIC/HUD.

Can the NPP be retrofitted easily enough? I'm sure it will be harder to find a car that has both NPP and Mag Ride for a reasonable price (along with being a 6MT 2SS car). I'll have plenty of time to look but know when buying my BMW, there were certain options that were too hard to find to really make it worth looking for.

Speed I'm not too worried about, as Waze shows that. If it has it, great, but if that's the only real benefit I'm not overly concerned. 90% of my driving is on the same routes - Waze just shows me the cops.

Originally Posted by modru2004

the only other note worth option i can think of is the electronically controlled diff. i know it comes standard on 1le's but im not entirely sure if that could have been added without the 1le package. if it could be added on its own it might be worth looking for. probably hard to find though.

I assume the standard diff is still a LSD. One of the huge complaints of my BMW is the lack of LSD. BMW cheaps out and only offers it on the M cars. The retrofit is expensive - 1k+ to get the LSD and the labor is pretty involved as you have to have the ring gear machined apart, as BMW welded it in all but the early diff's (and the early ones have their own issues). It's a bit tricky to setup too from what I've read, to the point most need a shop to care for it at an out the door cost of $2500, which is why I passed on it.

[iPODFAN11]

Originally Posted by Nitrousbird

Can the NPP be retrofitted easily enough? I'm sure it will be harder to find a car that has both NPP and Mag Ride for a reasonable price (along with being a 6MT 2SS car). I'll have plenty of time to look but know when buying my BMW, there were certain options that were too hard to find to really make it worth looking for.

Speed I'm not too worried about, as Waze shows that. If it has it, great, but if that's the only real benefit I'm not overly concerned. 90% of my driving is on the same routes - Waze just shows me the cops.


I assume the standard diff is still a LSD. One of the huge complaints of my BMW is the lack of LSD. BMW cheaps out and only offers it on the M cars. The retrofit is expensive - 1k+ to get the LSD and the labor is pretty involved as you have to have the ring gear machined apart, as BMW welded it in all but the early diff's (and the early ones have their own issues). It's a bit tricky to setup too from what I've read, to the point most need a shop to care for it at an out the door cost of $2500, which is why I passed on it.

NPP can't be retrofitted. If one has all the other options you want, but doesn't have NPP, that can be resolved with an aftermarket exhaust.

On the diff, SS has an LSD, but if you go SS 1LE route, you can get the eLSD (electronic LSD), what modru2004 mentioned, same as the Corvette, ZL1, and CTS-V.

[ChevyRules]

Originally Posted by Nitrousbird

Can the NPP be retrofitted easily enough? I'm sure it will be harder to find a car that has both NPP and Mag Ride for a reasonable price (along with being a 6MT 2SS car). I'll have plenty of time to look but know when buying my BMW, there were certain options that were too hard to find to really make it worth looking for.

As mentioned, can't be retrofitted easily. It's one of those options where if it doesn't have it, it's not going to be practical to retrofit.

I think it might be easier to find NPP/MRC/6MT combo and I doubt it will cause any big jump in price considering when new it was a $800 option.

[Nitrousbird]

Originally Posted by iPODFAN11

NPP can't be retrofitted. If one has all the other options you want, but doesn't have NPP, that can be resolved with an aftermarket exhaust.

On the diff, SS has an LSD, but if you go SS 1LE route, you can get the eLSD (electronic LSD), what modru2004 mentioned, same as the Corvette, ZL1, and CTS-V.

1LE is just going to be out of what I'm willing to spend, which is about 30k max.

Looks like I'll add the NPP to my requirement list.

[Lafourche1]

Originally Posted by ChevyRules

-NPP is a must IMHO. Gets you the gloss rear diffuser vs matte and if you want to go aftermarket, can keep NPP functionality with a compatible exhaust system.

- HUD is standard on 2SS.

- Benefit of built in nav is the speed limit will show up in the DIC/HUD.

Wireless charging is standard. Hit or miss if it will work with your phone.

I think the NAV upgrade gives the upgraded sound system, too.

I should know this but I am not 100% positive.

[ChevyRules]

Originally Posted by Lafourche1

I think the NAV upgrade gives the upgraded sound system, too.

I should know this but I am not 100% positive.

Bose sound system is standard on the 2SS nav or without nav.

[Nitrousbird]

Originally Posted by ChevyRules

Bose sound system is standard on the 2SS nav or without nav.

I haven't been in one yet - is the Bose system any good? The Bose in my Escalade isn't anything special. The Harmon Kardon in my E92 is very good - one of the best OEM setups I've ever heard. Wife has the B&O option in her S4 but I still like the HK better.

[modru2004]

id just like to point out that unless you are looking for a loaded car you should be able to get a 1ss 1le in the 2ss ballpark price wise. the 1le gives the 1ss some nice upgrades like the pdr, ediff and hud (only way to get it on a 1ss). you would just lose out on fancy stuff like heated seats/steering and integrated nav and upgraded audio.

audio is easy to upgrade. you can do nav via the car play from your phone easy enough. remote start isn't an option since you are going manual.

a 1ss 1le could be a real option for you unless you just have to have that stuff.

[L99BEN]

Originally Posted by Nitrousbird

1LE is just going to be out of what I'm willing to spend, which is about 30k max.

Looks like I'll add the NPP to my requirement list.

Good luck finding one for $30k currently with the options you want and low miles.
$32K-33k more realistic.

Quick cars.com search:

https://www.cars.com/for-sale/search...58487&zc=44101

[Nitrousbird]

Originally Posted by modru2004

id just like to point out that unless you are looking for a loaded car you should be able to get a 1ss 1le in the 2ss ballpark price wise. the 1le gives the 1ss some nice upgrades like the pdr, ediff and hud (only way to get it on a 1ss). you would just lose out on fancy stuff like heated seats/steering and integrated nav and upgraded audio.

audio is easy to upgrade. you can do nav via the car play from your phone easy enough. remote start isn't an option since you are going manual.

a 1ss 1le could be a real option for you unless you just have to have that stuff.

Looking for a fairly well optioned car. Leather is a big option on my list. This is a street toy and will likely not see much/any track time. 1LE would be nice and a preference but not a requirement.

Originally Posted by L99BEN

Good luck finding one for $30k currently with the options you want and low miles.
$32K-33k more realistic.

I found a couple in searches I've done ...and asking vs negotiated price can be different as well. I doubt I would buy any sooner than 6 months from now (unless I stumble upon a deal that can't be passed up), so '19's will be out and values will drop some more. Fortunately, time is on my side and I am typically patient/well researched on my vehicle purchases.