Completely off topic

FaytalsCamaro · 08-25-2011, 08:36 AM

The only thing this has to do with Camaros is that I AM a camaro owner. Hopefully the moderators let this topic live until i get a couple of answers.

Ok here is the situation. I work at a restaurant owned by my family. Just recently we had some roofers hired to work on the roof by the people that own the entire strip. Well it has been a complete nightmare with these roofers. They have been very unprofessional with there work. They seem to work at the busiest times of the day scaring customers with their hammering and banging. Causing ROOF material to fall through and get into customer food and cause the place to be a mess.

They turned the air conditioning unit on the roof off and and didnt tell anyone. So we had to call in someone thinking we had to repair it 3 times till they found out what was wrong. We were literally sitting in 100+ degree temps in the kitchen. And on top of that Because they didnt seal everything up properly after finishing up at night when it rained we got some water damage. They ruined the speakers and one of the flat screen TVs that we have mounted on the wall.

Here is my question. They are paying for the service call for the AC guys and are going to pay to fix the speakers. They just bought a brand new TV for us but are asking they get to take the old TV. Are we required to give them the old tv? Here I am thinking no. But I would love to know your personal opinions.

P.S.

To the mods if you dont allow this topic to live i completely understand, if you do its much appreciated, i havent seen anything like this situation through google and just curious about it and have no where i can think of to turn.

Just to put a twist on things here is my BA camaro lol!!!

CamaroCowboy · 08-25-2011, 08:42 AM

I would say yes you have to give them the old TV. They are buying you a new one. It is standard practice when a company to include the post office that when something is damaged and they pay to replace it you must give up the old one. Just like if your car was totaled then you get money from the insurance but you have to release the car to them.

10forty2 · 08-25-2011, 08:50 AM

Uhhh...... NO!!!!! And let me re-emphasize that.... NO!!!

Sorry, but they messed it up, you owe them NOTHING! In fact, they'd be lucky if they even got to finish the job, given your description of their work. If it were me, I would have fired them from the job after they replaced the damaged equipment, paid them for what they had already done and hired another REPUTABLE company to do the job on MY terms. I'm not a particularly mean-spirited person, but when I'm the customer...I expect to get what I'm paying for, and I don't expect to endure incompetence.

FaytalsCamaro · 08-25-2011, 08:51 AM

heh 50/50 eh? back where i started lol

10forty2 · 08-25-2011, 08:52 AM

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Originally Posted by FaytalsCamaro

heh 50/50 eh? back where i started lol

Technically my NO was bigger than his yes...so I win!! LOL!

ZED SLED · 08-25-2011, 08:53 AM

Ask Judge Judy

Mark's SS · 08-25-2011, 09:08 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 10forty2

Uhhh...... NO!!!!! And let me re-emphasize that.... NO!!!

Sorry, but they messed it up, you owe them NOTHING! In fact, they'd be lucky if they even got to finish the job, given your description of their work. If it were me, I would have fired them from the job after they replaced the damaged equipment, paid them for what they had already done and hired another REPUTABLE company to do the job on MY terms. I'm not a particularly mean-spirited person, but when I'm the customer...I expect to get what I'm paying for, and I don't expect to endure incompetence.

What he said!

These people owe you for damages they have caused. They should have to pay you for all repairs and are not entitled to take any damaged property. They should be reported to the BBB.

SnoopyAce7 · 08-25-2011, 09:15 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mclark10

Ask Judge Judy

haha. small claims ftw

mulletman · 08-25-2011, 10:17 AM

The TV is ruined. Why do you want it?

Deke736 · 08-25-2011, 10:20 AM

I would agree with most everyone else here and say NO, you don't owe them the old TV. I work for a national restaurant chain and spent several years in our property management department and I have never even heard of a reptuable company even asking if they get to the old one!

I do have a some questions for you. Since you say that this roofer is the roofer the owner of the strip uses, were you required by your lease to use this company? I know in many cases when we are in strip centers there are requirments to use the LL's roofing contractor to maintain an existing warranty. If so, you may have some recourse to go back to the owner as well. Are you paying for these roof repairs yourself, or is the LL handling the repairs as part of CAM or their maintenance responsibility under the lease?

FaytalsCamaro · 08-25-2011, 10:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mulletman

The TV is ruined. Why do you want it?

Since they replaced the old one I wanted to see if it was capable of being repaired. If their services werent so horrible I think I would be more understanding in giving them the broken TV. Maybe...

Too be completely honest they didnt directly come out and say it but it seemed that their intent was to buy the same tv at walmart then return the broken one. To me that seems like there was no financial consequence to their actions

FaytalsCamaro · 08-25-2011, 10:42 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Deke736

I would agree with most everyone else here and say NO, you don't owe them the old TV. I work for a national restaurant chain and spent several years in our property management department and I have never even heard of a reptuable company even asking if they get to the old one!

I do have a some questions for you. Since you say that this roofer is the roofer the owner of the strip uses, were you required by your lease to use this company? I know in many cases when we are in strip centers there are requirments to use the LL's roofing contractor to maintain an existing warranty. If so, you may have some recourse to go back to the owner as well. Are you paying for these roof repairs yourself, or is the LL handling the repairs as part of CAM or their maintenance responsibility under the lease?

It is actually the entire strip that is having the roof changed so no we werent required to pay for any of the roofing that was actually being done. It was through the complications that surfaced because of the roofers neglect that we were having the said problems. All the stores in the strip actually had water damage. In fact the gas station next door had laptops that were ruined.

mulletman · 08-25-2011, 10:46 AM

The chances are the cost for labor and parts are going to be more than the value of the TV. Let them have it and move on.

orangejuice · 08-25-2011, 10:46 AM

Exactly, just give the old TV up. If its ruined and is not operational then just give them the damn thing. move on

08-25-2011, 08:36 AM	#1
FaytalsCamaro Distributor of Liquor Drives: My Wife Crazy Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Oklahoma Posts: 1,697	Completely off topic The only thing this has to do with Camaros is that I AM a camaro owner. Hopefully the moderators let this topic live until i get a couple of answers. Ok here is the situation. I work at a restaurant owned by my family. Just recently we had some roofers hired to work on the roof by the people that own the entire strip. Well it has been a complete nightmare with these roofers. They have been very unprofessional with there work. They seem to work at the busiest times of the day scaring customers with their hammering and banging. Causing ROOF material to fall through and get into customer food and cause the place to be a mess. They turned the air conditioning unit on the roof off and and didnt tell anyone. So we had to call in someone thinking we had to repair it 3 times till they found out what was wrong. We were literally sitting in 100+ degree temps in the kitchen. And on top of that Because they didnt seal everything up properly after finishing up at night when it rained we got some water damage. They ruined the speakers and one of the flat screen TVs that we have mounted on the wall. Here is my question. They are paying for the service call for the AC guys and are going to pay to fix the speakers. They just bought a brand new TV for us but are asking they get to take the old TV. Are we required to give them the old tv? Here I am thinking no. But I would love to know your personal opinions. P.S. To the mods if you dont allow this topic to live i completely understand, if you do its much appreciated, i havent seen anything like this situation through google and just curious about it and have no where i can think of to turn. Just to put a twist on things here is my BA camaro lol!!!

08-25-2011, 08:42 AM	#2
CamaroCowboy Drives: 2013 Chevy Truck Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: Copperas Cove, Texas Posts: 1,782 View My Garage	I would say yes you have to give them the old TV. They are buying you a new one. It is standard practice when a company to include the post office that when something is damaged and they pay to replace it you must give up the old one. Just like if your car was totaled then you get money from the insurance but you have to release the car to them. __________________ Texas speed LT Headers and High Flow Cats, Magnaflow 3 inch cat-back Exhaust, SNL V2 Comp CAM, Texas Speed Underdrive Pully, G5CR CAI, Hurst Short Throw Shifter, JetFlo Mass Air Sensor, Custom Grill, Amber AAC Headlight and Fog Light Halo, Amber footwell Lighting, Amber under hood lighting, RK Sport Ram Air /Heat Extractor Hood and ADM Racing Scoop. 447.9 RWHP 428 TQ My car is exactly that, No one has to like it but me!

08-25-2011, 08:50 AM	#3
10forty2 Drives: 1992 Chevy K5 Blazer Join Date: Apr 2011 Location: NC Posts: 576	Uhhh...... NO!!!!! And let me re-emphasize that.... NO!!! Sorry, but they messed it up, you owe them NOTHING! In fact, they'd be lucky if they even got to finish the job, given your description of their work. If it were me, I would have fired them from the job after they replaced the damaged equipment, paid them for what they had already done and hired another REPUTABLE company to do the job on MY terms. I'm not a particularly mean-spirited person, but when I'm the customer...I expect to get what I'm paying for, and I don't expect to endure incompetence. __________________ Love beautiful photos? Please visit: http://dougloganphotography.zenfolio.com

08-25-2011, 08:53 AM	#6
ZED SLED Drives: 2017 Mosaic Bk ZL1 M6 Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: South of Raleigh, NC Posts: 9,615 View My Garage	Ask Judge Judy __________________

08-25-2011, 10:46 AM	#14
orangejuice H1 OFCR Drives: 2013 ZL1 Blue Ray Metallic Join Date: Jun 2011 Location: Shelby Twp., Michigan Posts: 1,320 View My Garage	Exactly, just give the old TV up. If its ruined and is not operational then just give them the damn thing. move on __________________ Corsa Rotofab BBK ZL1 Hood/Fascia AAC Afterburners/Sidemarkers Havoc Black Chrome 5% Tint/20% Smoked Taillights

08-25-2011, 08:51 AM	#4
FaytalsCamaro Distributor of Liquor Drives: My Wife Crazy Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Oklahoma Posts: 1,697	heh 50/50 eh? back where i started lol

08-25-2011, 10:17 AM	#9
mulletman Drives: 2017 Camaro SS Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: southern Illinois trailer park Posts: 636	The TV is ruined. Why do you want it?

08-25-2011, 10:20 AM	#10
Deke736 COTW 12/3/12 Drives: 2012 Ashen Gray ZL1 Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Glen Carbon, IL Posts: 3,279	I would agree with most everyone else here and say NO, you don't owe them the old TV. I work for a national restaurant chain and spent several years in our property management department and I have never even heard of a reptuable company even asking if they get to the old one! I do have a some questions for you. Since you say that this roofer is the roofer the owner of the strip uses, were you required by your lease to use this company? I know in many cases when we are in strip centers there are requirments to use the LL's roofing contractor to maintain an existing warranty. If so, you may have some recourse to go back to the owner as well. Are you paying for these roof repairs yourself, or is the LL handling the repairs as part of CAM or their maintenance responsibility under the lease?

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