Microsoft stinks rant

rdame · 10-17-2015, 11:04 PM

I know I have an older computer, but it works, or at least it did work well. Suddenly Microsoft Dotnet 4.0 no longer works and will not delete or reinstall. I cannot update my Garmin or my new SCT X4 because Dotnet 4.0 is screwed up. Looked on the internet and find the masses are all having the same problem. I know XP is now defunct but I think Microsoft purposefully crashed this .NET program to prop up slumping computer sales because people are going to tablets and handhelds. I like many others will now need to go buy another computer just to update my tuner and garmin. Cannot do it at work because the company has blocked all personal use. I used it for email, online shopping and not much else so it was fine and still would be if they did not do this

Oh well. I guess I need to get a laptop anyways. Could have saved the money towards a cam......

Rant over, beer empty,

yzark99 · 10-18-2015, 03:33 PM

Email and shopping get a new amazon fire tablet for $50. Done.

HDRDTD · 10-18-2015, 05:29 PM

Either invest in Windows 7 (yes it can still be bought and odds are it will run on your current PC) or just get a new Chromebook.

rdame · 10-19-2015, 08:37 AM

Broke down and got a windows 10 laptop. 8 hrs later not completely setup (email accounts printers bluetooth updates office install more updates sct drivers more updates etc) but I was able to deal with the SCT and GARMIN. Windows 7 was off my list before because you had to wipe the HD but now I have a backup it won't be a problem. Likely will do that for the older desktop and see how long I can keep it functional. I still think Microsoft should be stalked with flaming torches and pitchforks though...

Bobbymsams · 10-28-2015, 07:05 AM

OK, rant mode on. This morning I spent over three hours running Windows Update on the cool Viliv S5 UMPC I am evaluating. Yes, I realize it runs the older Windows XP operating system, but even so Microsoft must make the out of box experience (OOBE) better than this. I have recently experienced this process with Vista too, and it’s no better than XP. It’s time that Microsoft fix this absolutely unbearable process. The entire Windows Update process resulted in 5 reboots and took almost 3.5 hours. That is ridiculous in and of itself, but watching it closely (something you have to do as it requires user input at inopportune moments) really got me steamed, as I realized that Microsoft could easily fix this stupid process.

How can Microsoft make this more bearable for the end-user? Simple. Watching the update process made it clear that Microsoft supplied the OEM with Windows XP SP1. A large part of the update process was downloading and installing SP2, which has been out for years. The next pass of Windows Update then downloaded and installed SP3, which has also been out forever. Why the hell is Microsoft not supplying OEMs with the latest SP slipstreamed in the build image?
My fury didn’t end there, no siree. The update process also duly downloaded and installed .NET Framework 1.0. Then 1.1. Then 1.5. That is absolutely stupid on any level. Then came the core Microsoft applications that had to be “updated.” You may not believe it, but the update process had to download and install Internet Explorer 7, yes, that’s right 7, which is not even the current version available. Windows XP is still shipping with IE6 in the OEM image. Incredible.

That’s still not all. The update process had to download and install Windows Media Player 11 because the build image only contained WM9. Yes, version 9 even though WM11 has been out for a very long time.
Of course, once all of these “updates” were duly installed, then all of the security updates for each of them had to go through the same loop. I found myself getting more and more ticked off as this inane process dragged on.
I know that I’m going to start hearing that this isn’t even the latest version of Windows, like that’s a good excuse for Microsoft. Give me a break, Microsoft is still happy to sell XP to OEMs (and thus the consumer), so that’s no excuse for lousy support. All Microsoft has to do to end this stupid situation is to roll any update or upgrade that is distributed via Windows Update that is over six months old into the image provided to OEMs. That’s all it would take to end this goofy situation, and there will never be an excuse to not do this that I will accept. Take responsibility for your product, Microsoft.
I’m sure I’ll also hear that a lot of these updates are security related in nature and thus not Microsoft’s fault. I understand that, but I don’t care. As a consumer, I just want my stuff to work as easily out of the box as possible. As far as I’m concerned Microsoft could easily go a long way toward providing that experience if they would just do it.

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10-17-2015, 11:04 PM	#1
rdame Drives: 2011 Camaro 2SS Join Date: Apr 2015 Location: Central Massachusetts Posts: 78 View My Garage	Microsoft stinks rant I know I have an older computer, but it works, or at least it did work well. Suddenly Microsoft Dotnet 4.0 no longer works and will not delete or reinstall. I cannot update my Garmin or my new SCT X4 because Dotnet 4.0 is screwed up. Looked on the internet and find the masses are all having the same problem. I know XP is now defunct but I think Microsoft purposefully crashed this .NET program to prop up slumping computer sales because people are going to tablets and handhelds. I like many others will now need to go buy another computer just to update my tuner and garmin. Cannot do it at work because the company has blocked all personal use. I used it for email, online shopping and not much else so it was fine and still would be if they did not do this Oh well. I guess I need to get a laptop anyways. Could have saved the money towards a cam...... Rant over, beer empty,

10-18-2015, 03:33 PM	#2
yzark99 I run 2 catch cans... Drives: 2012 1LT SIM Auto Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: OR there Posts: 1,038 View My Garage	Email and shopping get a new amazon fire tablet for $50. Done. __________________ Overkill tuned • Air Scoop • CAI • VMAX PTB • JacFab Laminator FX + Extendolator • SOLO Hi-Flo Cats + Cat-Back Exhaust View my top 3 LFX performance mods and more: .

10-18-2015, 05:29 PM	#3
HDRDTD Drives: 2013 Triple Black ZL1 Vert M6 ECF Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: Trenton, Michigan Posts: 7,046	Either invest in Windows 7 (yes it can still be bought and odds are it will run on your current PC) or just get a new Chromebook.

10-19-2015, 08:37 AM	#4
rdame Drives: 2011 Camaro 2SS Join Date: Apr 2015 Location: Central Massachusetts Posts: 78 View My Garage	Broke down and got a windows 10 laptop. 8 hrs later not completely setup (email accounts printers bluetooth updates office install more updates sct drivers more updates etc) but I was able to deal with the SCT and GARMIN. Windows 7 was off my list before because you had to wipe the HD but now I have a backup it won't be a problem. Likely will do that for the older desktop and see how long I can keep it functional. I still think Microsoft should be stalked with flaming torches and pitchforks though...

10-28-2015, 07:05 AM	#5
Bobbymsams Drives: Bobbymsams Join Date: Oct 2015 Location: us Posts: 2	OK, rant mode on. This morning I spent over three hours running Windows Update on the cool Viliv S5 UMPC I am evaluating. Yes, I realize it runs the older Windows XP operating system, but even so Microsoft must make the out of box experience (OOBE) better than this. I have recently experienced this process with Vista too, and it’s no better than XP. It’s time that Microsoft fix this absolutely unbearable process. The entire Windows Update process resulted in 5 reboots and took almost 3.5 hours. That is ridiculous in and of itself, but watching it closely (something you have to do as it requires user input at inopportune moments) really got me steamed, as I realized that Microsoft could easily fix this stupid process. How can Microsoft make this more bearable for the end-user? Simple. Watching the update process made it clear that Microsoft supplied the OEM with Windows XP SP1. A large part of the update process was downloading and installing SP2, which has been out for years. The next pass of Windows Update then downloaded and installed SP3, which has also been out forever. Why the hell is Microsoft not supplying OEMs with the latest SP slipstreamed in the build image? My fury didn’t end there, no siree. The update process also duly downloaded and installed .NET Framework 1.0. Then 1.1. Then 1.5. That is absolutely stupid on any level. Then came the core Microsoft applications that had to be “updated.” You may not believe it, but the update process had to download and install Internet Explorer 7, yes, that’s right 7, which is not even the current version available. Windows XP is still shipping with IE6 in the OEM image. Incredible. That’s still not all. The update process had to download and install Windows Media Player 11 because the build image only contained WM9. Yes, version 9 even though WM11 has been out for a very long time. Of course, once all of these “updates” were duly installed, then all of the security updates for each of them had to go through the same loop. I found myself getting more and more ticked off as this inane process dragged on. I know that I’m going to start hearing that this isn’t even the latest version of Windows, like that’s a good excuse for Microsoft. Give me a break, Microsoft is still happy to sell XP to OEMs (and thus the consumer), so that’s no excuse for lousy support. All Microsoft has to do to end this stupid situation is to roll any update or upgrade that is distributed via Windows Update that is over six months old into the image provided to OEMs. That’s all it would take to end this goofy situation, and there will never be an excuse to not do this that I will accept. Take responsibility for your product, Microsoft. I’m sure I’ll also hear that a lot of these updates are security related in nature and thus not Microsoft’s fault. I understand that, but I don’t care. As a consumer, I just want my stuff to work as easily out of the box as possible. As far as I’m concerned Microsoft could easily go a long way toward providing that experience if they would just do it. .................................................. .. Commercial locksmith service in clearwater