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draph · 01-19-2017, 11:25 PM

Wow, I apologize to the complainers. I looked 3 or 4 pages down in this forum and saw no 2018 Mustang thread discussing the factual reveal...If I did, I certainly wouldn't have started a new one. I thought Ford had a bigger batch of fanboys; but it appears there's still a few Chevy guys who just don't want to even acknowledge another side exists and has some merits worth discussing (kind of like the attitude taken by Trump haters). The future of Camaro depends upon its competitiveness with Ford, and vice versa for Ford. Without the competition, the products get stale, sales plummet, and the nameplate goes away (remember what happened after the 1982 to 2003 Camaro?).

Rivalry between the fans should be fun. Passion is great until it borders on hate. Not sure if its a generational thing or if our society has simply devolved to religious levels of "us vs. them".

I've been a member of this forum for quite some time, since I became interested in purchasing a Camaro of this generation since they first came out. I grew up in an all GM all the time family. My pause to decide on either car has been for reasons discussed elsewhere (mainly Ford's superior interior comfort and visibility vs. Chevy's superior driving experience and outright performance). I've seen many good things about this "community"; and now I've seen its mean side. Fortunately for the car companies, I'm not going to let forum behavior affect my purchase decision.

I've still got my 1970 'vette convertible to sell before I buy a contemporary play car. If it doesn't sell until there's a 2018 Mustang to test drive, I will certainly have to compare how it does against the 2SS. I think Mustang upgrades will greatly improve its driving dynamics, but speculate it can't overcome it's weakness against the alpha-structure of the Camaro-IMHO. Also, no matter how you slice it, a 5.0 without turbos needs more revs to develop the same power of a 6.2 without turbos - and even if the peak hp of the 2018 5.0 Coyote steps 20 or 30 hp above the LT1, the LT1 will still have it off the line to street legal speeds, which is what matters on a daily driver pony car. So, I'm still leaning Camaro unless/until I drive that Ford (well selected gear ratios *might* overcome its low end power disadvantage). I'm an MT guy...but note the 10AT in the Ford will help keep the 5.0 in the sweet spot, which is probably more necessary for the Ford than the 10AT in the Chevy with its flatter power curve.

01-19-2017, 11:25 PM	#20
draph Drives: AcuraTL SH-AWD 6MT and '70 'vette Join Date: Mar 2016 Location: Indiana Posts: 46	Wow, I apologize to the complainers. I looked 3 or 4 pages down in this forum and saw no 2018 Mustang thread discussing the factual reveal...If I did, I certainly wouldn't have started a new one. I thought Ford had a bigger batch of fanboys; but it appears there's still a few Chevy guys who just don't want to even acknowledge another side exists and has some merits worth discussing (kind of like the attitude taken by Trump haters). The future of Camaro depends upon its competitiveness with Ford, and vice versa for Ford. Without the competition, the products get stale, sales plummet, and the nameplate goes away (remember what happened after the 1982 to 2003 Camaro?). Rivalry between the fans should be fun. Passion is great until it borders on hate. Not sure if its a generational thing or if our society has simply devolved to religious levels of "us vs. them". I've been a member of this forum for quite some time, since I became interested in purchasing a Camaro of this generation since they first came out. I grew up in an all GM all the time family. My pause to decide on either car has been for reasons discussed elsewhere (mainly Ford's superior interior comfort and visibility vs. Chevy's superior driving experience and outright performance). I've seen many good things about this "community"; and now I've seen its mean side. Fortunately for the car companies, I'm not going to let forum behavior affect my purchase decision. I've still got my 1970 'vette convertible to sell before I buy a contemporary play car. If it doesn't sell until there's a 2018 Mustang to test drive, I will certainly have to compare how it does against the 2SS. I think Mustang upgrades will greatly improve its driving dynamics, but speculate it can't overcome it's weakness against the alpha-structure of the Camaro-IMHO. Also, no matter how you slice it, a 5.0 without turbos needs more revs to develop the same power of a 6.2 without turbos - and even if the peak hp of the 2018 5.0 Coyote steps 20 or 30 hp above the LT1, the LT1 will still have it off the line to street legal speeds, which is what matters on a daily driver pony car. So, I'm still leaning Camaro unless/until I drive that Ford (well selected gear ratios might overcome its low end power disadvantage). I'm an MT guy...but note the 10AT in the Ford will help keep the 5.0 in the sweet spot, which is probably more necessary for the Ford than the 10AT in the Chevy with its flatter power curve.