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Originally Posted by DRKS1D3

I am comparing apples to apples (kind of). It is kind of tough considering Mopar has more engine options than GM (V6, 5.7L, 6.4L and the Hellcat S/C 6.2L). If a person in the market for a pony car is not brand loyal and just looking for price, the Challenger will undercut the Camaro 9 times out of 10. A Scat Pack is a killer car and a killer price. It is an R/T Challenger equipped with the 6.4L HEMI from the SRT8, packaged together for a price starting under $40k. As I've already stated, the prices of the new 2016 Camaros are through the roof. Go to any GM dealer. They have droves of these things sitting on lots. The look is soft and the price is high. About the only thing remotely helping to move them now is the 2017's being released and dealers needing to move them. BTW, I am a GM guy through and through, but Chevy did no favors with the 6th Gen in terms of appearance and price. ~$52K for a 2SS Convertible? LOL! Laughable at best!

The Challenger only undercuts the Camaro in price when you pick RT or SXT models. And those make up 90% of the Challenger sales if not higher. Like I stated, a $39k SP is a M6 with cloth seats and no tech. It's slower in the 1/4 and slower 0-60 than a M6 6th gen since those are the categories Dodge buyers like to talk about. Base to base, it's $2k more expensive. So is it really a killer deal? It was until the 6th gen was unveiled. When you start loading the options on the SP to match a 2SS price point, they are neck and neck in terms of price/features. You mention vert but you can't get a vert in a Challenger. So not sure how that is figuring into this conversation.

I'm not saying pricing on the LT models is not impacting sales. It likely is, but at the SS level you pay for the level of performance you get. And Dodge's performance models are priced higher in the segment. Another problem is dealers ordering stupid options, lack of rebates, lack of effective PR, and poor push for dealers to sell what they got. Looks are another subjective area. To me the Challenger looks bad with it's skinny tires and huge rear quarter panel. The Charger looks much better imo, but that's me.