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Originally Posted by christianchevell

SO chuckles...... the test was rigged in favor of the 5.slow........... with a used engine in the parts department they must have thought it needed the pistons to make it worthy compared to a LS crate engine, oh yes and stock CNC ported heads so much more make the build they cost a extra $200........... andit was not a LSX but a common crate engine with the lame LSA stock cam.... the head work to the coyote was in the form of four friggin cams...COUNT EM. And theres more Priuses than mustangs ..... your point.

Sticking up for a rubber band, overhead cammed , Much more expensive to build 5.0 is not going to get you much for friendliness, sure they don't show the LS costs, sure they could have done them up more, sure they could use stock slugs on the coyote and work the heads, and the LS could have been used with a LSA conversion.........for that cost it so could have kicked the Coyotes arse in terms of money spent, and really blown it out of the water with FI for the LS for that cost as their money is just parts. But hey they rigged it for the coyote mostly.............

You make my head hurt ......

First, it was a GM performance block that they used then they added the Mahle pistons which bumped compression up from what is it, 10.3:1 on the stock LS3 to 11:1. It wasn't a crate motor, just read. You keep saying that the Coyote has 4 cams extra, but never neglect to say that the LS3 has an extra 76ci on the Coyote. Remember, there is no replacement for displacement. You can pump all the air you want into an engine, but the combustion chamber can only hold so much air. I just hope we don't visit the same part of Jersey.

Originally Posted by SpeedIsLife

They could have spent less money on the Coyote...

The Coyote didn't need the forged connecting rods and pistons considering stock motor Coyote's have gone 60,000+ miles on 10lbs+ of boost. That alone, combined with the valve springs, which weren't needed, would have saved $2,000 on the Coyote build.

They used the Stage 3 Comp Cams, but used the Boss intake manifold, which is a mismatch to the Cams. Ideally they should have used the Cobra Jet intake manifold+TB+intake...which would have resulted in a savings of about $1,500 still off the total build.

They used phase limiters on the Comp Cams, but in reality a good tuner doesn't need the limiters, and can carefully tune the valve events to enable full sweep on the cams. Shawn at AED and I think another shop can tune that. This would result in power gains everywhere and no power loss in the low-middle end. By not running the limiters they would have saved $73.00 off the build.

The MSD Blaster Coils were not needed, at all. That would have saved $339.00 from the build.

The head studs are not needed because you're not running boost, period, thus saving $360.00

So, in reality..they would have had a 540hp/430 TQ Coyote for $2,722 less than the build they showed.

They weren't going for a true "best bang for the buck" build with the Coyote, they added a lot of pointless stuff that artificially inflated the price of the 5.0 build.

I have to agree with you somewhat. For me when I add up the costs here, they could have spent around $4,000 less on the coyote and actually built it to make it worth a damn. As is that would probably put out maybe 450-460HP to the wheels with tons of room to grow from there.

TSS Oil Pump gear wasn't really needed on a N/A build that appears to only seeing some engine dyno time so that was a waste for sure.

As you said, they spent about $2100 on a forged rotating assembly which wasn't really needed either when you have the Boss rods and piston set available as well as the 2015 rod and piston combo which will hold north of 800HP all day long on a good tune.

Like you said as well, the MSD coil packs weren't needed at all when the factory COPS are better then the MSD versions.

Coyote swap oil pan wasn't needed for the build as well when the factory oil pan would have more then been good enough for the test.

Aeromotive fuel rails .... for a N/A coyote ..... Just dumb right there, even for the LS3 possibly as well. I don't know if they needed those for the IM or not, but wasted money right there.

ARP hardware throughout on a budget build? Seriously?! It makes no sense even on the LS3.

Once again like you said, they should have gone with the CJ intake, monoblade throttle body and JLT or FRPP CAI with the Comp Stage 3 cams. I am thinking that they went with the springs in order to help prevent valve float in the upper RPM range where the Boss lives and breathes though so I can understand that part. Even with just that, Stage 3 cams and cobra Jet cars are making anywhere from 500-525HP with those mods which would put it at a level playing field power wise with the LS3. They should have gone with a custom grind cam which still drives like stock with the VCT so it would have met their rules about cams. 2015 Mustang heads would have just been icing on the cake for the coyote with their larger size.

Originally Posted by Moreair1

My view on it is we have a lot of choices now that make incredible power for what ever make you like give it dodge chevy or even ford and are also
very reliable and even get pretty good gas mileage, shoot I even read a article the other day a Mustang was using a 4.8 ls junk yard motor with a lot of boost and was running some where around 1xxx hp and if I Remember right low 8s ? Just a impressive time we live in now as far as motors and the hp they can create

+1 ... the amount of power that we can make with these engines is unreal. We are talking about 8 second street cars and even the coyote has been low 7's and even 6's at this point. The time for power is right now! It is pretty wild to think that you can look at a 9 second car and think it is pretty pedestrian when a few years ago running 9's was the shit!