[2010reddevil]

Originally Posted by Bhobbs

Fine, if you want to reduce the displacement of the LSx, then take out 2 of the valves per cylinder and 3 of the cams from the Coyote.

Why should I give anything to Ford for making a 5.0 liter that weighs as much as a 6.2 liter?

If you want to compare by liter, the 5.0 is an overweight pig per liter.

Are you ****ing kidding me? The Coyote weighs a whopping 12lbs, read that again, 12lbs FFS! Since when is that a monumental weight difference? If anything, it showcases Ford's ability to make a "complicated" dohc V8 that weighs damn near identical to a much simpler 2V. You can't remove cams/valves from an engine that already has 4 dumbass. You CAN however, use a competing engine that has similar displacement, as in the 5.3L vs the 5.0L. This is the whole point of the Mod motor vs LSx. Yes, GM used the pushrod 2V architecture to make sure it had displacement on its side. Ford didn't want to or need to redo all of its tooling to make a physically bigger block when they got their power goals done by modifying existing tooling and making better top end components. Bore centers are the only advantage the LSx has on the Mod Motor for displacement sake. Why do you think GM just went bigger with the 6.0 and 6.2L? Because they couldn't meet their target power goals and meet emissions standards with a 5.3L. Plus, they were using existing tooling as well, just like Ford.

The engine masters competition that had the Mod Motor vs LSx, the one where all the stops were pulled and the Mod Motor got all 3 podium finishes.........yeah that's right, 1st, 2nd and 3rd place owned by the Mod Motor. Level playing field between the 2, 4V dohc will ALWAYS make more power than a similar displacement pushrod 2V. That's why the 400 cu in Mod Motors were making over 600ft lbs of tq too, but dohc don't make torque, right? The LSx is the modern SBC. It's in junkyards all over the place so yes, parts are cheap, engines are cheap and everything is just plain cheap. Doesn't mean it's necessarily better, depends on what your goals are really.

Don't be ass hurt because a Coyote would curb stomp the shit out of a 5.3L N/A or boosted otherwise. I've been around both sides and know the advantages and disadvantages of both. To be blatantly brand biased and ignorant of the others is just plain............stupid.

We can carry this back and forth, the difference is I have experience on both sides, you don't seem to have any at all.