[Muscle Car Lover]

Originally Posted by Firefighter

Fact is they beat the hell out of the Colts in that game with or without the deflated balls.

Personally I've hated the Pats waaaaay before they were good. I'm talking mid 70's.

That problem to many (myself included) is that it seems like Bellicheck has a culture of winning no matter what you have to do, cheating is fine.

I feel like the whole "Dynasty" is tainted because of the multiple scandals.

If it were my Dolphins I wouldn't be the least bit proud...

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You say tainted, it's tainted because you say it is?

Look, we have covered "Spygate", it was a legal difference of opinion on the location of where filming is done. I was against that Pats on that, I think they knew full well what the rule was and tried to skirt it. Material advantage, none at all. Since 2010 I can see any angle of any game I want on Youtube from the stands. Periscope now makes that even easier. This argument is dead.

I truly believe that Pats submit balls to the refs right at 12.5 and they treat the balls so they most likely bleed air more so than other teams. Advantage? Maybe mentally, but nothing in reality.

I think the Pats ride the rules more so to get inside heads. Clearly its working. But you don't win for 14 years in the NFL with bullshit. You actually have to play.