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Originally Posted by shaffe
Medisin I know we have gone back and forth on you excluding the cars.com review, but here is something I just noticed, no one here except you is comparing it with the gt500 or zl1. The main arguing going on here is can the car run the 11.2 dodge said it could. Cars.com came the closest with the 11.4 yet you continually dismiss it bc they didn't do a test like this with the gt500 or zl1....well that's not what people are saying. They also did it the way everyone wanted it done, they went to a drag strip and posted times lips. Not with timing equipment on the car, but a tracks timing system and you still dismiss the 11.4 run like it never happened bc they didn't test the gt500 or zl1 like it.
Now they went to test dodges claim of 11.2 did it happen no. They did not run the number dodge said who knows why, JOE will maybe say amped up test mule, others say bad track conditions, others say the car simply can't do it. I just want to know why you ignore the one test that did it the most proper way, with video and actual timeslips lol. It has nothing to do with the gt500 or zl1
If you want to say its not the norm, it was hero run or why was only 1 out of 5 able to evencome close or whatever cool with me. That's bad for dodge I get it. It makes them look really bad that they made such a big deal about it and only 1 review came close, didn't even get it ut only came close yeah that looks bad.
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Is the Cars.com run the norm? Maybe, maybe not. I agree with you, nobody has achieved Dodge's advertised times yet but surely someone out there will beat it eventually and every Mopar leg-humper will run around thinking every Hellcat will run 11.2 when clearly that is not the case.
The reason I continue to compare the Hellcat to the ZL1 and GT500 is simply because they are direct competitors. Every review and mention of the Hellcat frames opinion, discussion, results in the context of the ZL1 and GT500. The Hellcat was touted as being the new top dog muscle car when in fact, it is slower than a GT500 in a straight-line and slower than both on a track.
My point with this Cars.com timeslip is two-fold. First, had Cars.com taken a stock GT500 or ZL1 with them that night and those cars run 11.3 and 11.6 respectively, I wouldn't think much of the Hellcat's performance. Second, there are plenty of GT500 timeslips in the low 11's just like Cars.com. There are several mid-11 timeslips by ZL1's on this site, just like Cars.com. Okay, now what?
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Originally Posted by SpeedIsLife
The reason why the 11.4 run is ignored is because it's a minority report, it presents the uncomfortable reality that:
A: The 11.2 run is achievable on street tires, 2/10ths isn't that huge of a gap.
B: The reviews were not the complete indication of the truth.
When you have a preconceived notion of a situation, which Medisin does, you have to discard any factors that call your conclusion into question.
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The truth? Please tell us what is "the truth"? The Cars.com represents a hero run that has not been matched or duplicated in many, many tries. Of course there are magazine beating hero runs posted on every enthusiast forum but guess what, there are also many, many personal bests that are
slower than magazine times posted on those same forums. When you average them out as I have done for all three cars, the owners "hero times" are within one-tenth and one mph of the magazine times. So please tell us what is "the truth"?