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Originally Posted by BayouTiger
Troy and Tim! Wondered where you folks been hiding! Didn't know you were hanging out here with the Chevy guys!!!
As a die hard Mopar guy and owner of one them old 09 SRT8 battleships that (yes) runs quarter mile, standing mile, and (gasp) road course. Much of what has been said is somewhat accurate, except that the Challengers generally overachieved what would be expected from a 4400lb pig, but OTOH, the Camaros from what I have seen have somewhat underperformed in stock trim. From every specification, they should just handily whip the Dodge in every way, but at the track, they're pretty much neck and neck.
Also, don't judge all the Mopar guys as being an angry lot based of the Challenger forums, a tiny handful of people did everything in their power to destroy that community over the years, and it's a really sad situation. I've been very active in the Challenger community for many years and have known most of the players involved in that carnage and it's one of the most baffling things I've ever witnessed.
Here's a few facts:
1. Camaro and Mustang will always outsell the Challenger. I am not surprised at the margin, I'm actually surprised that the Dodge has done as well as it has. Mother Mopar left the game for over 30 years! As such we have a disproportionate number of old farts like me and not a lot of youngsters by comparison. As such every convert is very hard won and for a huge number of Challenger owners, it is their very first Chrysler product ever.
2. GM and Chrysler fans truly owe Ford a huge debt of gratitude for keeping the segment alive when everyone wanted it dead. What they have squeezed out of that platform is truly amazing. Along the same lines, what Chrysler has squeezed out of the LX sedan platform is also amazing. Chevy had a huge advantage of starting with a modern platform to build from. Kudo's to GM for having Holden keep the true spirit of the American muscle car alive even when we were too blind and stupid to save it ourselves!
3. It's mid 2014 and American enthusiasts are debating whether this factory produced muscle car will really run 10's or that one really has 700hp, or the other one can really make a real attempt with staying with a bunch of very capable euroboxes at the road course. Add that the Muscle car segment is the most brand loyal of all segment and we have a great, competitive segment that just keeps getting bigger and better with all three badges playing, and much like any family, we will all be there together when they do come to try and take our toys away!!!!
You guys over here have had a great board for a long time. Always a pleasure to stop in and say hello!
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Whats up man!! I came over to see if there was much hatred being spewed the HellCats way. Surprisingly not much at all, which is cool!!
Regarding sales figures. The Challenger was selling more cars the current year than the previous year. Pretty good stat and testimony IMO to the looks and performance of an 8 year old car. It would have sold more in 2015 than 2014 without ANY changes whatsoever.