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Originally Posted by MEDISIN
We're just looking at it differently. Cadillac doesn't offer bare-bones, stripped out base cars then charge thousands for things like keyless entry and other features most manufacturers offer at no cost. If by parroting you mean Cadillac charges more for their performance models than non-performance models, then I ask, who doesn't?
The CTS Vsport starts at $59,995. The CTS is also one class size larger than the ATS and costs $10,000 more than the ATS equipped with the same engine. So add extra for the bigger brakes, suspension for the V model then subtract $10,000 for the size difference and you arrive at my $55,000 - $60,000 estimate.
That's the thing, I don't HAVE to buy a fully loaded Vsport. The BMW 550 and M5 pricing overlaps, as does the E550 and E63 AMG, and the A6 and S6, all depending on options. Which is why I am only speaking in terms of base price. The V isn't fully loaded. Heck, mine had $10,000 in options over the base price.
I just don't understand your obsession with options. I am comparing base prices to base prices. There are way too many variables once you throw options into the equation. You may want them, I may not. Then factor in incentives and actual transaction prices of which Cadillac is considerably lower than competitors as a % under MSRP.
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Like I said I hope you are right...........I just don't see it.
Price out an ATS. I have one in my garage. NO leather, NO fold down rear seat, NO backup sensors, NO keyless entry, etc, etc. you have to get the $4,000 luxury package.
So take an ATS with a 3.6 and the performance package. Now add the $5,000 for the twi turbo V6. Pretty sure you are just a hair short of $60,000 right there. That doesn't include the 8speed auto, brakes, chassis and interior enhancements that a V will have.
When I say parroting its because I know that is what GM did on both cars. It's why you actually have a Cadillac without standard leather. That is also why the CTS had a huge price hike in the current generation. Pre ATS GM played the "it's the size of a 5 but the price off the 3" game. Now they are lining up. And if an M3/4 starts in the low 60's if you opt for the manual instead of the DCT you can bet that is were Cadillac will go. Cadillac is trying hard to not be the discounted BMW alternative.
The leftover CTS-V right now is $65,000. And there is no way you will be able to get a new CTS-V for less than a loaded V-sport. Your choice won't be a loaded V-sport or a base V. It's the very reason they came out with the V-sport line.
Again I hope you are right but everything GM has done to position the ATS and CTS suggest much higher pricing than you are hoping for on an ATS-V or CTS-V.