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Originally Posted by CFD
We're obviously never going to see eye to eye on this, for some reason you idolize the west side gym. There have been many bodybuilders, powerlifters, Olympic champions and others who never stepped foot in the west side gym. They are not the only ones with training methods that work. There are many that could care less about trying to achieve the goals a lot of their members are.
For some reason you also keep referring to the "old way" of training, which by the way is still practiced by many trainers with fantastic results. In fact, many trainers and coaches still use the old way to build a basic foundation of strength to grow on.
I also don't understand the work up and then start over you keep mentioning. I myself have been lifting for only a few years but do not start over, every year I am lifting more and getting stronger, how is this starting over.
You also make it sound like you will keep packing on muscle indefinitely, it won't happen. You are limited to what you can achieve by a bunch of different factors, granted you can keep progressing, for how long I'm not sure yet as far as I go, as I am still progressing but not at a rate you seem to imply and there will be times where you stall or hit a plateau, sometimes because of injury, overtraining, inadequate caloric intake or a host of other factors, you can overcome it, sometimes just by changing up a routine, sometimes by diet some times just by taking a break or de-loading a little to provide some recovery time.
Now, even in the case of those monsters at the westside gym who undoubtedly use steroids and other drugs, they at some point will reach there limits.
People have a choice and should choose a form of training that meets their goals and expectations, your way, my way or the west side way may be right for you, me or them but not necessarily for the next guy.
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Like I've said before....
You'd rather write books on things you know very little about getting stronger how to achieve the best results the fastest than read and learn. Most routines OF TODAYS ERA employ at least some of the WS principles, exercises, and exercise methods.
Funny earlier you told someone to train like who it is they want to be like. Yet when someone says they want to get stronger and I post something about WS your standard reply is some prehistoric training method and to say WS doesn't work for everyone. But guess what? It does...men, women, teenagers, lifters who have never picked up a weight before (my GF), to professsional athletes and anywhere in between. So when someone wants to be strong in the gym train like the strongest in the world.
You don't know shit about strength training and honestly I think you ought to keep your mouth shut about it. You want to talk about food or something then fine. You workout at home, not around strong people, and you aren't even a little bit strong. So essentially all you "know" about being strong is what you read on the Internet. Yet you choose not to read anything relevant to strength training of today.
Stick to food and being a lean pencil neck...it's what you are good at.