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Originally Posted by MEDISIN

Sure people have run both faster and slower times than what gets reported in automotive magazines. Not everyone is going to run a hero time in perfect conditions every time. That is why averaging times reported under standardized testing methodologies creates the closest apples-to-apples comparison outside of a same day head-to-head comparisons (which hopefully we will see when the SS is released).

The Camaro SS is on average a 13-sec car.
Motor Trend: SS 13.1 sec @ 110.8 mph
Car and Driver: SS 13.0 sec @ 111 mph
Road & Track: SS 13.0 sec @ 110.7 mph
Inside Line: SS 13.1 sec @ 110.4 mph

Average SS = 13.05 sec @ 110.7mph

Have I seen SS times in the high 12's, yes. And I've also seen SS times in the mid-13's.



MotorTrend and C&D tested the manual, R&T tested the auto. The times were identical. Look how little variation appears in the GXP results. Very consistent times from three different sources on three different days in three different locations with two different transmissions.



Right, right, the R/T's that Dodge sent MotorTrend, Edmunds, and Road & Track for testing to "show-off" in magazines were somehow handicapped compared to the model Dodge sold customers?? I have seen stock R/T's run in mid-low 13's and I have seen GXP's run high 12's. But when you average their results and look at what the average car will run on a given day, there is a clear difference between R/T and GXP performance, with the GXP being much closer to SRT8 performance than it is to R/T.



Holy run-on sentence. Where to begin...Yes the LX platform developed for the W211 Mercedes-Benz E-Class was a great platform (exotic is a stretch) when it was developed in the late '90's. The problem is the platform is outdated and weighs 200-300lbs more than the competition. That "generic" Holden design is the Zeta platform, designed as GM's global RWD architecture. Zeta has better driving/handling characteristics and lower weight than the LX.
Go drive a Zeta-based vehicle like the SS 1LE, ZL1, or the upcoming SS sedan and you'll understand why drivers prefer it over the LX equivalents. One needs look no further than Lightning Lap times to see the advantage.



Hmmm, compared to your '92 Lumina perhaps. It's a good car for the money.



And I thought lead was dense. The GXP outperformed its SRT8 rival back in 2009 and cost less when similarly equipped. Once again the SS looks to be slightly less than SRT8 performance for less than SRT8 money (2-tenths slower to 60, 3-tenths and 3mph slower in the quarter for $2,250 less).

R/T: 0-60 in 5.3, 13.8 1/4mile at 103mph, $36,495 (R/T Max)
GXP: 0-60 in 4.7, 13.1 1/4mile at 109mph, $44,000 (proxy for SS)
SRT8: 0-60 in 4.5, 12.8 1/4mile at 112mph $46,250

You hold on to those mag times sir, we will see how this plays out on the tracks across the US when it hits the stretets. The average owner seems to have NO problem getting mid 12s from the 392 SRT cars. The only logical thing I can imagine is that they had green cars with few miles and it generally takes between 3000 and 5000 miles before the Hemis are at their full power. Same thing with the 5.7 Hemis, once they are broken in mid 13s seem to be no issue, don't believe, do your research. There is one * with the Charger R/Ts. They offer 2 different ratios, most tests seem to be with the dstandard 2.65 ratio, the reason i keep comparing the Road and track and Daytone cars is because they all have the Challenger R/Ts 3/06 ratio which i am sure makes a difference.

Another interesting tidbit. the ONLY test i know of where a Charger SRT8 was put against the GXP on the same day and same tract was done by road and track. The times were close enough to be a wask

The GXP did 0-60 in 4.7, the SRT8 4.9, That gap had actually closed to .1 second in the 1/4 mile, 13.1 for the GXP and 13.2 for the SRT8. Top speeds where 165 for the Charger, 155 for the GXP (limiter). Both cars provided .88g on the skidpad while the SRT8 provided the higher slalom speed at 65.8 vs 65 for the GXP. Those numbers, same day/same conditions are more revelant than any posted by either one of us yet. Now take into effect the SRT8 has seen HUGE upgrades in not only the powerplant, but the suspension as well. If you think the SS is going to handle like a ZL1 or 1LE you are more than likely going to get an unpleasant surprise. it is still a sedan and must still maintain more ride compliance than the stiff 1LE and it will not be getting the ZL1s trick magnetic dampers. it wso won't compare with them in braking considering it's front end only Brembos compared to the 1LE, ZL1 (oh and SS and SRT8s) 4 wheel brembos.

As for my Lumina, worst designed car I have ever owned, but it does what I need and was a neccesary evil for a better future. Really, I think they were drunk when they designed this thing, horrible exterior, horrible interior, a glove box barely suited to hold an envelope, a 3 speed automatic in a midsize sedan in the early 90s???? A car where half the accesories in the engine compartment have to be removed just to change a battery???? Easily the thinking that got GM in the trouble they were in and unfortunatly a prelude of what happened to Chrysler during the Daimler years.