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Originally Posted by Deki

I'm thinking the LT1 is going to be rated at 475, at least in the C7. Might be at 460 in the Camaro, if not 470-75.

I think both will be around 450 or so. GM has focused on torque with the LT1, not horsepower (which again, is a good thing). I also don't see DI adding that significantly to the Mustangs number either. I suspect they'll try to leverage that more for torque and efficiency than top end power, too, given the regs and everything else they have to put up with.

Originally Posted by Deki

It wasn't under rated, as it was certified by SAE for the 412hp rating, it's just that you lose less power to the wheels by going through a live rear compared to an IRS.

That's part of it, but even with a live axle, I find it hard to believe any drivetrain is so efficient that it only loses 10-11% flywheel to wheels. Keep in mind that GM engines are SAE certified (and thus more precise), while Ford engines are rated under SAE net, leaving more room for "approximations."

Originally Posted by cbass

That was true when the 2011 mustangs came out with the coyote, but the camaro received a revised suspension in 2012 right after. The hot wheels version of the ss tested recently with 21" wheels performed much better than the early SS. That and every test I have seen tested a mustang GT equipped with a track pack vs the SS that had none at the time.

I believe a SS now is on pace if not out handles a GT.

I still suspect the Mustang would have a small edge numbers-wise, and pretty confident it would still have an edge in the subjective feel category given its smaller feeling nature and better steering. Remember, a stock GT ran dead even with a BMW M3 at the track. I don't think the non-1LE Camaro SS could quite pull that off.

Granted, the last Camaro I drove was a 2011. It would be interesting to see a head-to-head comparison between them today, but as far as I know, no one has done it, because once a car has been out for a year, the automotive media stops caring.

Originally Posted by newmoon

You must have missed the part where I said that my 12 mustang was a POS because of the transmission. I am also no longer a mustang driver. Although the little comment at the bottom of the chart was a bit over the top, the chart itself should show that any ZL1 owner who thinks they can head out to the track and beat a 13-500 just because it has turns may get a rude awakening. That being said I would choose the ZL1 automatic over the 500 if I were to purchase, as I have said in many of my posts.

on the Chinese transmission. I love my car and the way it feels and handles, but Ford really dropped the ball with the MT82. For 2015, they shouldn't just make changes to it, they should scrap it all together and start over from scratch...and build it in NA this time.