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Originally Posted by TAG UR IT
Open carry would, in my personal opinion, make the guy carrying the gun on the outside a likelier target over the guy standing next to him who's conceal carrying.
I STRONGLY feel that if there IS to be open carry, people MUST....WITHOUT FAIL (like, it needs to be LAW), use a level II or III holster. There MUST be a mechanism in place to KEEP the gun IN the holster until the person wants to take it out. I'm not talking about a single snap.
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I agree with this. If, in the situation of an active shooter who is hell bent on killing someone, or taking away any kind of resistance, the person he KNOWS is armed will be the first target. I also agree that it would be irresponsible for the carrier to wear a gun in a fashion that would allow someone to easily take it. I DON'T think that open carry is a "bad idea" though.
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Originally Posted by CamaroSkooter
And that makes a lot of sense.
But as it stands right now, if you are concealed carrying and you accidentally show and an officer notices, you can get in a world of trouble.
I believe if you want to open carry, you should be allowed to (even if it's not recommended for the above reasons), just as I believe you should also be allowed to conceal carry.
I just don't like the whole, "you can conceal carry, but if it's not concealed enough or your shirt accidentally gets hung up on something, you're now screwed"
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These are good points. No matter the opinion, open carry should be a right. And it DOES have advantages. Tag made some great points, but consider this:
You're in a bank with possibly 30 other people. An armed person walks in with intent to rob the bank, and kill a person if necessary to accomplish the goal. The robber notices ALL 30 people with handguns on their hips. Now put yourself in the robber's position. How successful are you about to be in terrorizing those people, making them feel helpless, get your money, and safely make it away? Apply that same logic to a coffee shop, a Denny's, or any other place where there are generally a decent amount of people.
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Originally Posted by Scrappy Doo
LOL.
So why is there so much interest in the John Wayne club on here? Just a friendly debate?
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Friendly debate I would imagine. But it IS a right to carry and protect yourself. Skooter's argument is very valid on the problems with conceal carry, but not having open carry. And in addition, I'm sure you read my "scenario" above.
There are two kinds of shooters. You have the crazy people, who are going to take their own life at the end, and then you have the person who wants to cause chaos but does not want to die.
In the first situation, all you can do is minimize. That person is prepared to die, and they want to cause as much damage as they can before it happens, weather they kill themselves or you do it. Note that ALL the crazies target places that are "gun free", which allows them to run amok until they off themselves. Gun free is a target for that reason. Visual deterrence will make them try to evaluate another target. If not, their rampage will be much shorter lived anyway.
In the second situation, with the shooter that wants to make it out alive, visual deterrence comes into play on a much grander scale. That shooter is NOT making it out of that situation alive.
Consider how many active shooters target police stations, gun shows (or even gun stores), NRA conventions...
Now consider schools, movie theaters, and other public "gun free" zones. There is a reason for it, even for the insane ones.