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Originally Posted by AdamZ

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Minor misdemeanor drug possession. I told them to bring me the weed which they did. So I had the evidence.



You said it...they aren't too bright. I can threaten to do whatever I'd like as long as it's not killing them lol. They didn't know what probable cause/reasonable suspicion is. All they heard was "take this ticket or I will take your weed" lol

I was wondering....LMAO

I've put my hand out so many times and simply said, "hand it over. I'm not dumb, dude." And out comes the weed...

Originally Posted by AdamZ

It is quite interesting when it doesn't turn into flaming each other and actual thought is used before posting

Originally Posted by Rangore

I've seen more pot smokers lead what would be classified as unsuccessful lives vs those that do have successful lives. I've told people that smoke...look to your left and right as you pass the joint and think about what those people do for a living and if their lives would be considered a success.

As it's been said...some are...but I would guess that most pot smokers aren't successful in life.

I can't recall a "successful" pot smoker I've arrested in my last 8 years. They have all been jobless or working minimum wage, criminals with plenty of arrest history, kids who's arrest was their first, people on gov't assistance (and yes, I had to search wallets, I it's pretty damn easy to prove this), or something very similar. I can't say I've ever gone to the middle class house and arrested mom or dad for possession nor have arrested one of them from their car for smoking weed. Can't recall a single arrest...

Originally Posted by AdamZ

Pulling out the case law. I love it. For a terry frisk (or as you said terry pat) I can only frisk for weapons for my safety so if I felt a baggy in their pocket or anything I could only ask him what it is. He can say a bag of candy and that would be the end of it. Even if I was sure it was dope. Unless I saw him put it there then it's forbidden territory.

You are right with probable cause and reasonable belief. I need probably cause to search a vehicle. Even with reasonable belief I can not search anything. I can however frisk for weapons just for my safety with just reasonable belief.

^^Yep...totality of the circumstances....due to my training and experience...

Originally Posted by PT145SS

Nope, never even been to Ohio. That being said Terry vs. Ohio is important to everyone in every state. I have not read Terry vs. Ohio in a very long time but I believe it also says that the LEO must be able to articulate reasonable belief. I'm not sure if I'm on that jury that I would be able to jump to the conclusion that they were smoking weed simply because they put on cologne/body spray. And it might not even hold up under the ordinary person test in regards to being able to articulate reasonable belief.

Now had it been said that "in my many , many years of on the street, it is fairly common that people use cologne/body spay for the sole purpose of cover up the smell of weed... blah blah blah, then maybe one can derive reasonable belief.

When you do the type of stuff we do every single day, day in, day out, it's pretty d@mn easy to pick up on these types of folks, situations, etc...and pretty darn easy to explain in reports.

Picked up two agg robbery suspects today. Can't go into detail, but a couple very bad people were taken off the street. Now...to go find the third tomorrow.