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Originally Posted by gtahvit

That have proven to be ineffective at actually reducing pollution. But are great at raising revenue which is negligible due to the extremely high corporate tax that drives business to neighboring states like AZ.

How does this not make sense? What "pollution" are you talking about? You might produce the same amount of toxic gasses per gallon... but you can make that gallon last longer with a high mileage vehicle. I would rather get 100 miles per pound of CO and CO2 then I would getting 10 miles per pound. Did you ever happen to visit LA in the 60's and 70's? The air quality is a lot better now than it was then.

I have no problem with SMOG laws. But again If I wanted that for my state let me lobby my politicians for it. I understand the risk of not having emissions. But that shouldn't be a federal decision. Let the States decide. Kinda like helmet laws. Not the smartest law ever passed but people accept the risk. And this really isn't the issue. CAFE has nothing to do with emissions. two completely different agendas.

What land of make believe to you live in? This was a decision made by the government, not the general public. Do you really think that the public would protest outside the capital with signs saying that they want to smog their cars, and if they didn't pass, they wouldn't be allowed to drive them?

And how is the helmet law not a smart law? Name one down-side to wearing a helmet. Tell me how it might negatively affect your health while you're going 75mph on the highway.

And if it's not about emissions... then why do you morons keep bringing it up? Lack California is some whack-job state or something. Get over yourselves and join the party.

think each state should determine what works best for them. The truth is the percentage of cars 30 years old and older shrinks each year. And there is almost no measurable impact to vehicle pollutants in the boonies because the concentration is so limited. And furthermore, just because you suffer from the Sunshine Tax State by choosing to live there, doesn't mean I have to when I don't live there. I did live there for Nine years and left for a reason. And dammit they found me all the way out here in FL...

You know what would work best for California? It would work best if there was no age of consent law. I say that if you put a bag over a 13 year old girl's head, covering that baby face of hers... and if she's so physically developed that you cannot tell that she's only 13 years old, then she should be LEGAL. But only because that's what's best for the state. Let the marijuana offenders and statutory rapists out of jail, save on some tax money.

And you're right. Those old clunkers are disappearing for good! And pretty much any new car you buy will get twice the mileage of your old clunker.

Yes, in the boonies, the concentration of vehicles is less. Maybe if everyone in California spread out (it's a big phuckin' state) then we could all pollute more than we do now... right?

"Suffer from the Sunshine State Tax"? Who's suffering? I'm not. My 33 year old 10mpg getting Silverado passes smog with flying colors. Last I looked, it was only people from the other 49 states on here complaining about these CAFE standards and California's supposed influence on the whole thing.

I concede that the President pushed this and used CA as the standard. CA has yet to prove that it's MPG standard works. In my opinion CA made a mistake with it's own version of CAFE. Their decision to implement this could have cost their citizens many choices in cars as some manufactures may have had to limit the models to attain the correct MPG numbers. The Current administration just bailed them out from a bad decision making their CAFE numbers the national Standard. I kinda thought of this on the fly. Again, why should the rest of the country have to bail out their bad decision. Just cus it looks good?

I never knew of any MPG standard in California? All I know is that when gas prices went up in California (where demand is highest, and cost is highest - but I can afford it even in my 10mpg truck), people started selling their Silverados and F-150's and started buying Japanese Hybrids. So does it now make sense that Obama wants to push American car companies to increase their mileage standards? To compete with the Japanese maybe? I know a ton of you guys HATE Toyota... so what's wrong with Obama wanting to make an American company more competative so it can survive on its own in the future?

And what's this bullsh*t about California being limited on the styles of cars they can buy? This whole CAFE thing only says that American car companies have to offer cars which - in their class - average a certain MPG. If 35 was the magic number, that would mean a company could make two mid-size sedans. One that gets 50mpg, and one that gets 20mpg (like the 2010 SS maybe? - depending on your driving style and conditions).

I like how all these dipsh*ts on here talk about California like they're residents.

The truth is GM has the highest average Fleet MPG of any car manufacturer in the world. According to the CAFE standard. So, I'd say the current standard is fine in light of the financial troubles the big three are in. This new standard will be costly to implement. Can they do it? Sure! Is it the right time for new costly restrictions? Not in my opinion.

Costly? How?

I like how everyone everwhere else thinks that we're suffering. And how they feel like they're suffering hahahahahahahahaahh Ahhhhhhhhhh sucks for you! I'm staying in Cali.

Or are you better suited to make my decisions for me?

Yes, I am. You can trust me, sweetheart