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And the Malibu is better in nearly every way. Waiting on reliability results...
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When did this become a Chevy VS Toyota thread? I think the Malibu is a cool car, and it's a great rival to the Camry... and the style has greatly improved over the past few years.
Toyota has a reputation for building cars that you can really drive into the ground... putting many thousands of miles on them before they totally crap out.
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Many on this site would argue the same thing [driving the crap out of them] about Chevy's ...
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I agree. I have no idea how many miles are on my truck. I only know that I've put around 30,000 miles on my new engine and transmission.
GM is getting poked in the chest and being bitched at about mileage, and their inefficient SUV's and pickup trucks. But I'll tell you, if I didn't already have a 77 Silverado, I'd be buying a 2009 Silverado instead of a Camaro.
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I can't find any data on Scions sales. Please share them if you have it.
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Look around, dude. There's your data on Scion sales. Maybe Scions aren't as hot where you are as they are here in California though. Then again, I'd bet that there are more people buying more cars in California than in your area of Canada. - Forgive me, I have never studied Canadian geography.
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They [Lexus] sold fewer units in America than GM's luxury brands (Caddy + Buick) did.
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Wow, so two American brands combined beat out a Jap company? Again, I can't recall the last time I saw a Buick on the road. Are you talking about sales in the past few years? Or over-all? In Los Angeles, Lexus is all over the place.
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GM is a massive company that has made an amazing amount of money in the past 100 years.
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Yeah, it took 100 years to make an amazing amount of money like Toyota did in the past 20 years.
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What? For decades they sold more than anyone else in the world. They had a roughly 50% US market share for a while.
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Yeah dude, you get it? For decades BEFORE Toyota even existed, GM held roughly 50% of the US market share.
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So, Toyota (with supposedly superior products) is losing sales because of the economy, but GM losing fewer sales last month in the exact same economy is because of poor products? And yes, Toyota is LOSING money, not simply being under their sales projection. They have more to lose, but when income is less than expenditures, its is a loss.
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Who said anything about superiority? This thread was started because someone noticed that Toyota has lost a billion dollars more in sales than GM has, and no one ever speaks of Toyota filing for bankruptcy. Toyota is a big beast and can afford to lose more, and that is why they aren't talking about going bankrupt like GM. Toyota has been ahead of the curve in the Hybrid market, whereas GM has seemed to have focused on pushing Flex-Fuel [engines that can run on gasoline or ethanol] models.
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GM thought the same way a 20 years ago...
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That's my point. GM was on top of the world - - - - - - 20 years ago.
GM is the average Joe who is trying to hold on and ride out the storm.
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not going to dispute that
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Now GM can help itself out by boosting their numbers by MILLIONS if they would just ship out these ****ing Camaros that we're all waiting for!!!!!