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Originally Posted by Grabber
So, you truly believe a Roll Cage that is designed to make the vehicle as a whole more rigid will not affect times? Anything that stiffens the vehicle is an improvement on the chassis and suspension and in turn the vehicle is able to maneuver better.
Here is the video I was speaking of when GM changed tires from a Goodyear F1 (Looked like it to me) to a more race style tire. Looks like a Toyo R888 to me.
If you watch any of the videos released, you will see how there is very minimal body roll. This is a result of the roll cage.
Again, my 03 Cobra was a full blow Road Race car that was hot lapped all the time @ the Autobahn road course by the previous owner. It had everything except a chute, and of course that is sarcasm, just saying.
Full 6 Point Roll cage, at least 3-4 Welded Strut Tower bars on the k-member, in the trunk, etc. Full Bilstein racing suspension, IRS Diff cooler, Big brakes, all bushings replaced, Full Kenny Brown Extreme Matrix system, subframes, brake cooling vents, etc.
I've been in numerous cars with and without cages, and there is an incredible difference in rigidity between them. A Steel Cage isn't going to be a safety feature when you flip the car and crack your skull on it. It stiffens the vehicle, plain and simple.
Again, I never said the Red GT500 was factual, just posted some information about what was said/rumored. Ford will release the numbers when they feel it is the right time.
If you look at all of the other faster cars that ran @ the ring, did they all have Cages for Safety? IIRC, not many of them had cages, including the CTS-V. |
What I'm saying is that while roll cages do add stiffness in cars without, in this case, it's my understanding, through high-quality Sponsors in this Community that offer everything this side of SFCs (if you think about it, if they thought they were necessary, don't you think they would offer them?...), that they are not necessry. Given a video Pfadt put out of strut tower movement, and how little there was, it also gives me confidence in the business decisions (regarding this matter) that they've made to now. It's my opinion that the roll cage added little stiffness because ZETA II's chassis is already particularly stiff.
I'm not questioning your experience, however, have you been in a 5th Gen with and without a cage? If not, you accertions (sp?) aren't really objective. While I agree that cages can and do add strength, that's directly related to the stiffness of the chassis prior. If it's a stiff chassis, it won't benefit as much, which is what I'm suggesting.
I fail to understand what point, then, you had in pointing to rumored information. The only arguement in this thread that I recognize is that ZL1 is not yet in production, however, it is a REAL car with a REAL, verified time. It's not reasonable to post rumored information since there's nothing to back it up. If it's faster, then it's faster. Why argue the facts of times we have now for ZL1 for non-verified times for a non-existant car?
Here are four images of the Toyos you see (and NO, they are NOT Toyos). It's your turn to prove your point: