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Originally Posted by Dr Jkel

BUT here is the biggest point of all. Each one of us on this forum has a job or had a job. Each job has a set of rules and regulations and requirements for that job plus a salary scale. We knew when we took our jobs what the pay was, the pay scale and what we could expect to earn, the longevity of our life for our jobs ( SEE MILITARY DOOR GUNNER or COAL MINER) and we either chose to take it or not knowing the dangers, and for whatever reason we chose to take it. SO NFL Players quit whining that I may get hurt, life expectency is 3 years yada yada yada, you know the risk and you take the money.

This.

Originally Posted by PoorMansCamaro

because honestly, they probably can't do much else out in the real world. That's their problem. They got a free education. While I'm stuck having to pay for my sons. And that's fine, it's a good trade off and it's perfectly fair, but to then claim you are somehow being done wrong????? Sorry.

The owners already agreed in the last CBA to give over 60% of the total revenue. So now it's the players fault that they make 6 figures? Now the owners don't even give the players the light of day when a new CBA needs to be done when the players union asks for 50%, which is already a 10% cut from the last deal? And that was just a starting point...

Also, you should look up unions. They get to negotiate with the employer about how much they make...among other things. What the percentage is? I'm not sure, can't say that it is or isn't higher then 50%. Depends on the business. The NFL is run by 31 majority owners and has over 1600 STARTING players (does not include practice squad, etc). So how does it make sense to pay the players with a small piece of the pie, when they've already given up 60% previously?

It doesn't matter what the last CBA said or did. This is a new one. Like I said, the owners are just protecting their businesses. They were backed into a corner last time. They made a plan to put money aside for this, and it worked. The players are too stupid to do such a thing. The gestopo are less organized this time, but will still use their thug tactics to try and get it done.

I really hope and pray that the players end up with MUCH less, or nothing at all. I'd pay a thousand dollars out of my own pocket to see the owners cut all rosters and give all players 1 week to leave the union for a veteran draft. If you don't declare, you sit out for a year.

Originally Posted by Cbrenthus

Sorry if I don't shed a tear for them. They got a free ride to get a degree, if they majored in basket weaving and can't do anything else, then shame on them. I went to school, and now 10% of my after tax income goes to student loan payments. And, I worked hard and got some scholarships, as well as went to community for my AA first, to keep my costs down. I really don't care about some brat that makes 300K a year for 3 or 4 years, then is unemployed. They can save enough in those 3 or 4 years to do alot of things. Go back to school, open a business, whatever.

The problem is that they are alienating their fan base. I can't relate to someone making $300K and up and complaining that it isn't enough. I'm not on the owner's side either, I just think they should all shut up and play.

Like I said before. Let the business and salaries of the business take care of it's self. Throw the union out on it's ass.

Originally Posted by PoorMansCamaro

that's just it. the players aren't complaining. They offered a deal LESS THAN what the previous deal was. The owners didn't even get close enough to sniff the paper. They already planned on a lockout. They already planned on screwing the fans.

THe plan they made was what they lacked during the last deal. Which is why the union got to BF them. Not this time.

And I can GAURANTEE you they haven't offered to take less. It's just spun to make you think that. NO WAY is a union gonna take less until FORCED to.

Originally Posted by CJ Man

If the players don't like it, then they should go play in the UFL.

Or go flip burgers.

Originally Posted by CJ Man

Check out Adrian Petersons comments,

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com...at-nfl-owners/

Yeah he sure sounds like he knows what's going on!!

Oh and love how he compares the NFL labor situation to "Modern Day Slavery". Yeah if I can make millions playing a game, get million dollar endorsements, free food, clothes, medical for playing a game.....sign me up.

Have no problem calling the owners master.

It looks like with that "FREE" higher education Peterson received he failed study the whole slavery situation to get a better understanding of it.

That's just sad. I guess I shouldn't be surprized. I USED to like him too. If I were another player I'd have to ask him to please STFU.

Originally Posted by wylde1

I think he pretty much nailed the point. Once a CBA is expired, that's it, there's nothing saying they have to use the last CBA as a starting point to negotiate the next one.

If the owners want to, they don't have to negotiate at all. It's their money, they invest how they see fit. If I went to my boss and said I want 50% of what you make and show me your books... you bet your ass I'd be on the street and he'd find someone else. That's how the world works, if they don't like it they can go play in Europe.

Well, that's how the country USED to work. We are failing from this type of erosion. I for one would like to see it stop. We didn't get great by stripping our business owners of their freedoms.

Originally Posted by 2ndgenz28

best suggestion I have seen is the player form their own new league.

I'd LOVE to see this. They are too stupid to do it.

They'd have to have someone do it for them, and that someone would be way too smart for them. They'd end up right back where they are but with less money. Who'd own it? They players aren't gonna give anything back. They'd be fighting amongst themselves, and the prima donna Mannings, and Breez's would be hated, and make less money. Who would pay their salaries and how would it be divided? Who'd own the teams? OMG, what a cluster that would be....... I'd LOVE that.