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Originally Posted by 8cd03gro

The only forums you can go to that don't have plenty of other vehicle owners are the least informed, most embarrassing car forums you will ever see.

Everyone one I've seen has been nothing but rabid fanboys talking past each other and turning every thread into a competition about who can be more blatantly offensive. They're way more embarassing than this forum.

Originally Posted by 8cd03gro

It's almost necessary to have owners of different vehicles that respect the rules and at least enjoy the vehicle that is the subject of the forum. If you had a site made up of pure Camaro drivers, you would have almost zero information about the competition and there are also quite a few posters with valuable input on Camaro tech and info that own other vehicles.

Early last year there were very few Camaro haters on these forums yet, and the quality of the content in the other cars and Camaro vs. sections were about 100 times better than the drivel that most of the threads there get reduced to now. Or are you proud of the Camaro vs. section of this forum now? I think it's crap now, and you seem to be fighting for it to stay crappy.

Originally Posted by 8cd03gro

If you go to the mustang forums, you will see tons of ls1 owners with 5,000+ posts. If you go to the chevy cobalt forums there are a multitude of various types of vehicle owners. As long as their input is respectful and they actually have an interest in the subject vehicle, it's very valuable. Without it, the forum would probably think the fastest 5.0s are going 13.0@109 and picks up 5hp max from bolt-ons. When you have a single-minded crowd you collect and accept extremely bias information as well as opinions.

There's a multitude of different car owners here too, who also happen to be Camaro enthusiasts. Anybody can be an enthusiast. Enthusiasts aren't the problem, trolls are. You'll continue to be dissappointed with the mods until you realize that.

Originally Posted by 8cd03gro

This is a forum for discussion and more specifically, the other vehicles section. Let the people that know more about mustangs than you have their input, as you should with any other vehicle discussed. Hell, half the mustang owners used to own camaros or at least cross-shopped them. As you said yourself, why would you want information and opinions about the new mustang from a bunch of people that have never driven or probably even sat in one?

Get real. Most of the Mustang posters who post here are way more willfully ignorant than any of our members. But prove me wrong, see if you can get one of them to write up an honest post about an independent rear suspension, and it's benefits. If that's too hard, pick any other common car component (sunroof, or whatever) that isn't available on this year's Mustang. I've been trying for weeks now; nothing. "Solid rear axle, it's not that bad on a clean track" and "solid rear axles, they're better at the quarter mile" are about the only responses I've gotten. So much for the "car enthusiast" reasoning.