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Originally Posted by 28.

That's just personal preference. But to say it wins by a mile on either one, in my own opinion, is being kinda biased I think. Like someone else said these cars are so close it's not even funny..

Well okay, so a mile might be over stating it. But someone saying 'it's so close it's not even funny' is ALSO a personal opinion.

Also please understand that the bias I have today is based on research and test drives. I was a BMW driver. I was considering buying a 370Z, because I wanted something sporty. Out of the blue I decided to check out the American cars, with no personal bias whatsoever. I read the reviews, I test drove the V6 & V8 of each, and decided what I preferred.

Originally Posted by 28.

The body was completely redesigned in 2010. And considering they have a completely new drivetrain, to say same old, same old is just silly. Another thing is that I actually have seen more 2010 Camaros than 2010/2011 Mustangs around here.

Yeah, but that's kinda like when Porsche tell me they have redesigned the 911, and it looks the same. Honestly, at least to my eyes, the overall look of the Mustang is so similar to how it has looked for several years, it's hardly changed. Hence my comment about same old.

If you took a person who didn't know much about cars, and showed them a new Mustang. They could probably tell you it was a Mustang, despite the redesign. If you asked the same person to identify the new Camaro, they are far more likely to be stumped, since the new design is a total re-imagining of the vehicle.

As to how many Mustangs there are, I was referring to them as a whole, not just the 2010/2011 models.

Some of my wife's relatives who are diehard Mustang fans and have owned several, actually whine about the redesign as a departure from the classic look. In fact some have said that Ford ruined it.

Originally Posted by 28.

I do agree with this. The Camaro does have an overall better look outside. But I still prefer the interior on the Mustang. Just more driver friendly in my opinion.

I can agree in some respects, but every time I see that pale green LED display Ford uses, I just think of one of those old crappy things like the Ford Explorer that everyone was trading in on the cash for clunkers program.

Seriously, that kind of color and display is so ugly.

But let's be real there are some issues that GM need to work on with the Camaro interior.

Originally Posted by 28.

The Mustang does feel more nimble, but I honestly think that they feel equally comfortable giving the tad to the Camaro. The Brembo Package GT does feel a bit harsher though than the Camaro..

Some of the reviews I've read concede that Ford have done an amazing job, despite the live axle. But many also state that desite the impressive nimble feel, it can still take a little longer to settle down on an uneven road surface.

Originally Posted by 28.

Again, personal preference, and the lights are now ocean blue. Quite nice actually.

I guess I stand corrected. I still was not impressed by the interior particularly.

Originally Posted by 28.

If the salesperson told you this, he's simply a douche. No reason for that and I would have walked away also.

I did. As someone who's been in sales for years, it also annoyed me that he told me he had never even looked at a Camaro up close. I mean why not take some time out and learn a little something about the competition.

I remember one time when I bought an Acura TL, and was considering trading it for the Type S. I went to a Lexus dealer and asked the salesman to explain why I should buy an IS rather than the TL. In an arrogant I-work-at-a-Lexus-Dealership voice he said, "Sir, I don't really consider Acura to be in the same class as a Lexus. We only learn how to sell against BMW."

Now sure, I really don't like Acura all that much, but don't tell me a car for the exact same price isn't your competition!

At the end of the day, I know some emotions run high on the whole Pony Car thing. For me I did the comparisons and just didn't like the Mustang. And if you compare like with like: 2010 to 2010, I think there is a big difference. The fact that Ford were forced to put in better engines to compete shows they are playing catch up, and given the extra years they've been working on the Mustang, they shouldn't have to.