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Originally Posted by baileyrx
i dont mean the product, i mean the union members themselves. I'm sure there are good hard working union workers, but most just float along because they can! "no need to work TOO hard, I'm getting paid anyway" mentality
my post was directed at UNIONS & the work ethic they instill, not at anywhere or anybody else...
i too think unions are a hold-overs from the industrial revolution, coal mines, auto manafacturers, etc, before the gov had OSHA & other regulatory agencies in place...
still have a place today? maybe, my opinion is no. not in most company's.
now in China, Tawain, most of SE Asia, most definitely...
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You are still way off base. First and foremost, a persons work ethic is and has to be judged almost solely by the quality of the product they put out. So while I definately believe you are sincere in saying you only meant the workers, you still have to draw the same conclusion. Afterall, it is the workers that build the cars.
The only other thing that would give credence to your statement would be volume, and trust me, you don't want to go down that road. judging an employee by volume is what gets you sh!tty product...especially in the automotive industry. There should be some kind of labor standard to be sure. Some kind of base quota they would have to make volume wise thats reasonable. But when you start judging a worker based on volume more then quality, thats when the consumer suffers...and the companies reputation also.
Speaking of labor standards...I'm a Teamster that works in the warehousing industry. ALMOST ALL union shops in the USA carry a labor standard for this very reason. Ours specificlly is a time standard. The company and the union each bring in a group of engineers to figure out the time it takes to do our job. non union shops dont have this. most have a incentive program that leads to high volume and horrendous saftey practices.
trust me, i used to work in a non union shop till i wised up. ive seen someones foot get ripped off by a hi-lift because the dink was trying to make incentive bonuses.
Not. Good.