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Originally Posted by Congoman775

oh boy. the fanboy blood runs thick.

Have you actually seen you own posts?

Originally Posted by Congoman

so im unbiased. unlike....

I'll ask it again, have you actually seen your own posts?

Originally Posted by Congoman

Now, im sorry to say it, but i stopped reading with an open mind after you claimed the SS would be " Noticeably over 4000lbs"
.....it concerns me that you think that. 3860 is the weight given for an SS 6-speed....

According to a press release from the General himself......

3750 / 1705 – LT w/ automatic
3741 / 1700 – LT w/ manual
3769 / 1713 – LS w/ automatic
3780 / 1718 – LS w/ manual
3913 / 1779 – SS w/ automatic
3860 / 1755 – SS w/ manual

..... and I don't see where I am wrong.

Originally Posted by Congoman

if i were to get one (and this isnt a unique stance. this holds true for 90% of drivers who are looking for performance) i would look to take weight off . personally id be using carbon fiber and removing things that i dont really need.

Not sure I get your point here since carbon fiber and weight removal work just fine on other cars as well. None of this changes what these cars weigh in at stock.

Originally Posted by Congoman

so the my car would be 3600-3700lbs... and 500+- hp... 450lbs of torque... IRS... and this is after 3-7k worth of mods in the first 3 months.

Sounds good, but much like the issue above other cars can be modded just like the Camaro. Again, this has nothing to do with how these cars compare in stock trim.

Originally Posted by Congoman

you couldnt point to a mustang in the known universe id take over that car. not a GT500KR, not a 67' elanor, nothing.

I'm glad you have found a car you like.

Originally Posted by Congoman

as for the cup races... ANY car can be good. it all depends on the company that gets ahold of it. If your going to argue that cup races are a good example of how mustangs do on a track your nuts.

I actually have a little personal experience in Grand Am Cup, and yeah....how a car performs in that series is a pretty good indication of how good the platform is. Some chassis and suspension mods are allowed, but these cars start with a stock unibody and suspension and, but for a few performance enhancements and some safety equipment, they end up rolling onto the tarmac as little more than ultra-serious, race ready versions of what you buy for the street. The series is an excellent indicator of the basic goodness of a design, and Mustang works very well.

Originally Posted by Congoman

ps. how did the mustang do on the Nurburgring??

No enforceable rules, no real sanctioning body. That is how you get automotive soap operas like the latest Porsche, Chevy, Nissan three way where everybody claims everybody else is being deceitful. The truth? My guess is that everybody who runs the ring is bending the truth to one degree or another. But I can see how times laid down at a track where the sanctioning body is effectively the honor system are ultra relevant to how one car compares to another

Originally Posted by Congoman

good luck trying to find that time. as far as i know Ford didnt even both embarrassing the moostang by actually recording times.

I have no interest in looking, and it wouldn't do me any good if I did since Ford doesn't typically use the Nurb as a testing facility. Actually, I long for the day when only the baggy-pantsed, internet fanbois worshipped all things Nurburgring....the recent GM turn toward the Ring still seems weird to me. Personally I don't get the relevance and think the Nurb is little more than a marketing ploy. There is nothing they can learn at the Ring they cannot explore in even greater depth by using tracks here in the States. Like I said, it's a marketing ploy. If it wasn't, why would they all be in such a hurry to lie about it.