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Originally Posted by Congoman775
first i would like to point out you spent way too much time on that.
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It's a curse
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Originally Posted by Congoman
Camaro is a Dude's car. Mustang is a chick car. There is a difference between a car that 'appeals' to all markets, and a car that is driven primarily by chicks. thus... Chick car.
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With respect, and appreciation for the work you devoted to your survey. one survey conducted with little to no application or enforcement of statistical norms, which would be impossible given the conditions you indicate, is far from actual evidence of what the ratio of Mustang owners, vis a vis women to men, actually is. Put simply, you think the Mustang to be chick car and that is your prerogative, I disagree.
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Originally Posted by congoman
This is hard to really argue on because no one knows what engine will really be in the new car. It will be heavier than the GT, and thats common sense.
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Actually, weight of the 'new' engine is very nearly a given considering the foundation for the engine. Everything else makes the end numbers for weight a bit murky, but barring a move to lead suspension components it wont be anything like as heavy as most of the predictions in this thread and the truth is that we really do have a pretty good idea of what final curb weight figures will actually be.
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Originally Posted by congoman
I think you misunderstood how heavy the SS is... its 3700-3800lbs. thats a 100-200lb difference. not '300' lbs by any stretch.
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Chevy says ~3870lb in base trim IIRC. And since the only current V8-powered, Zeta-based platform mate to the Camaro sold in the North America market, the G8 GT, typically runs across the scale at least 50lb heavier than GM's claimed base curb weight figures I'm unwilling to go out on a limb and assume that GM's estimates are high.
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Originally Posted by congoman
Now you comfortably equip your GT with the numbers that YOU gave me, and thats 3750.. you pull up next to an SS at 3850 and your going to get a good look at our tail lights.
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You are using a worst case, fully loaded, auto tran Mustang GT estimate, but choose to use a Camaro SS estimate 20lb lower than what GM claims the Camaro weighs in base V8 trim. Based on Gm's own figures my money says a real world, fully-loaded, auto trans Camaro SS crosses the scales noticeably over 4000lb and that even a base, auto trans Camaro SS comes in sitting right on of 4000lb....or an easy 300lb more than the 2011 Mustang GT.
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Originally Posted by congoman
D. Now lets think about that good ole' Ford quality...
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Um....yeah.
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Originally Posted by congoman
in 2011 people very well might be talking about a mustangs acceleration. But here are a few things which im sure every mustang owner has heard before, and will continue to hear until ford gets their ducks in a row and joins the 21st century.
yea.. you've got 600hp... too bad you cant turn...
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The current Mustang has won multiple road racing championships, two recently including the Grand-Am Koni championship and the GT4 European Cup. And that is why I love racing, the podium doesn't lie.
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Originally Posted by congoman
yea... you paid how much?? for a mustang!?
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The 2011 Mustang appears certain to be
...the least expensive V8-powered car on the market by no small measure.
...the least expensive 400hp car on the market, again by no small measure.
...the lightest, rwd, 2+2 on the market in V6 or V8 guise, once again by no small measure.
sounds like a bargain to me
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Originally Posted by congoman
jesus... another one!?
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GM and Chrysler guys should have special appreciation for that particular comment. Those words consistently being muttered each time monthly Mustang sales figures were released are likely the only reason why the Charger and Camaro exist again at all.