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Originally Posted by Congoman775

No... you don't. You think you do. Nothing has been officially released. So you don't know.

You'll excuse me if I don't agree with your notion of a litmus test on what I do or don't know. Like I said, it is your prerogative to believe it or not. When iron hits the road and everything I say is accurate, we'll just chalk it up to me being a lucky guesser.

Originally Posted by Congoman

really. my buddy has a GT, stock it weighed in at 3596lbs, basically 3600. since then, it has only gone up.

This argument only works if you argue that every GT weighs the same. Some current model GT coupes actually just break 3600lb, while some don't even touch 3500lb coming in at 3400lb and change. Most GT's I've seen cross the scale are around 3500lb, and the new one will weigh in at about 100lb more than the current model with most models hitting right around the 3600lb mark.

As for models adding weight. When the car has gotten larger, yes, it has gotten heavier. The GT500 weighs more than the Terminator did largely because the car is bigger than it used to be, particularly in terms of footprint where weight really gets added on. But the S197 revision is actually just a bit smaller than the outgoing model, so I'm not sure where you are finding relevance here.

I'm not arguing that Ford doesnt profit off the mustang... im arguing they are going under despite the mustang and need to increase profits. the Car dropping in price is a good sign the company is having a 'going out of business sale'

So now you are speculating that Ford is going out of business if the Mustang gets cheaper? Ford is the most fiscally sound of the Big Three right now, even if that isn't saying much. If what you say is an accurate summation of what cash-strapped companies do (it isn't) shouldn't GM's prices be dropping across the board given their cash flow situation? I hardly think a 32k Camaro or an even more expensive Challenger is an indication of price chopping.

The truth is that neither a price increase or a price decrease alone tells us anything about any automakers situation...not if the car itself remains profitable at those numbers.

Originally Posted by Congoman

i would be surprised if the V6 has the same output. They are going to have a hard time moving units.

I am uncertain how lowering the output of the Duratec is going to help here? The PiP 3.0L Duratec they thought about using in the Fusion and possibly the Mustang only offered a 1mpg improvement in fuel economy over the existing 3.5L V6 despite a loss of 25hp and about 40lb-ft of torque when compared to the larger engine. And that entire plan eventually got axed as not being worth the trouble despite the fact that it was effectively ready to go. Given the fact that it is hardly in a high state of tune as it is a de-tuned 3.5L would be hard pressed to yield even the 1mpg fuel economy improvement the PiP 3.0L did in testing even if you cranked hp down to 240hp or a bit less than that. Ford wont detune the 3.5L because it wont accomplish anything, it is as simple as that.