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Originally Posted by unkbd
So theoretically you could watch someone walk out of a bar, get in their car start it up and as soon as they drove away stop them for dui. I'm not trying to push any buttons or any thing but it seems to me that probable cause is/would be missing, at the very least you might have possible cause......  .......by the way...does it make cops mad when civilians pop off about laws that they know nothing about and insist that they're right? 
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No.
I wouldn't stop them for DUI according to the standards you just set forth. For me, it would take at minimum reasonable suspicion, or I could be wasting my time. I need some sort of indicator to initiate anything....stumbling out to the car, slurred speech when yelling at their friends or others in the parking lot, fumbling or droping of keys in the parking lot when trying to get into their car, seeing others try to stop them from driving off as they get into their car, and the list could go on for a while. But, the simple fact that they were in a bar, walked out, and got into their car would not be enough
for me to make a stop. Now, if they broke a law as they left, I could check it out....or I could wait for that stumbling guy. I'd rather focus my attention on the person making more mistakes.
Not all the time does it make me mad when people think they know the law and insist they are right. It's when they start making up laws or new names for laws that I find pretty sad. I'd like to ... well ... correct them...
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Originally Posted by Zyreal
Yes it does, and it's Probable Cause and Reasonable Suspicion ..and you know what, we get training to become "Trained Observers" so something that seems odd to us, is a lot of the times, enough reason.
Besides, if you see someone stumbling out to their car after leaving a bar, thats definitely enough reason. Even if they weren't stumbling, they just came from a bar, nothing wrong with pulling someone over to check.
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This is very much how it is. We'll see something and it's a blatant clue to us that something is wrong or something is about to happen and for others, they wouldn't have a clue. We are trained for months and after training see it EVERY DAY. So, for someone to claim we don't know what were talking about or don't understand "the situation", think again. This is ALL police officers do day in, day out.