[Mr. Wyndham]

Originally Posted by z28camaro2471

... If I were in a union, I probably would be pro-union. From the outside looking in, it's pretty easy to see that unions helped put GM in the situation they are in now. From the inside looking out, you have obvious biases.

I'd call ouside looking in, without having experienced the "in" firsthand, a bias too! Not a bad thing, it's just human nature - we can't help it. By the way - it sound like I'm defending Unions whole-heartedly, but to be honest, I have mixed opinions. I'm becoming a technology teacher, and my Father was in a Union, but I don't quite trust them...

Yes, unions served a purpose and at one point were critical to establishing worker's rights, rights that even I as a non-union worker enjoy. However, unions got greedy. How else can you explain people who empty garbage cans and sweep floors for $20.00/hr? Or assembly quotas where people can get paid for 8 hours, but only work 4 hours and play cards the rest of the night? Right here at Delphi in Rochester, NY. Of course they sold the plant here given their lack of profitability.

True, true, and true.
I agree with you on the garbage-man thing
The problem is that most people in the US want things for cheap, but they are unwilling to spend a little more for a much better product. As far as I'm concerned - if you can afford it, and you want it, then buy it! but don't complain about what you paid for it, or your lack of ability to pay.
But nobody can tell me with a striaght face that over time, if Unions just disappeared, Corporations wouldn't get greedy, and start treating workers like Toyota treats theirs - shit.

Nothing personal man, but we both know that if they established unions at the Toyota plants it would be bad for Toyota, which would be good for GM, so I guess when it comes to them, I'm pro-union. Maybe I don't hate unions after all.
Doesn't mean anything about unions to you in this case, pro or con. You just want to see toyota burn. Which - to me - would be better then 10 years worth of Independance day fireworks in one night!

I think I'm going to have some apple pie and drive one of my Chevrolets. Two of which were assembled in our great neighbor to the North. Nothing sarcastic about Canada, how can't you love a place that has great hockey, beer and the best strip clubs in the world?
I'll take a shot at Canada here -I love the place, but can't resist - we could dance our military into Canada and annex the whole Country in a years time...not saying I'd want to though...so to me Canada is as much US as we are.

I apologise for my candid remarks above, but I needed to put in my two cents...