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Originally Posted by Cmicasa the Great XvX

The RX350 competes directly with the X5 and Benz ML... Hell I can provide evidence that most consumer revies.. well here U go:

http://newcarbuyingguide.com/index.p...t=viewCat/1502

Wow.. that's a pretty broad spectrum of vehicles... and fortunately I don't many consumers who give a damn, let alone differentiate between the BMW's dynamics or any of the aforementioned competitors.

You feel free to go on believing that the RX350 and X5 are heavily cross shopped to your hearts content. Heck, I can show you a comparison between the Infiniti G37 sedan and a Taurus SHO, it certainly does not mean that those cars are regularly cross shopped.

Originally Posted by Cmicasa the Great XvX

Dude.. U can disagree all U want.. but truth of the matter is Cadillac's own GM says the platforms are different.. I'm inclined to agree with him and call what U are saying a load of crap. Even more to the point... even if the platform was DELTA (Cobalt).. hell GAMMA (Aveo)... as long as it drove and handled as well.. if not better than the X5... I would be damn pleased.

Is this the same GM that said Zeta plans were heavily scaled back because of fuel economy issues, only to later introduce a 3500 pound plus Zeta based coupe that gets better highway fuel economy when equipped with the 3.6L V6 than any other V6 powered car they offer? I just wanted to be clear, we are talking about that GM, right?

Originally Posted by Cmicasa the Great XvX

I am not a PLATFORM SNOB... and most of the buying public, when they here Epsilon, Sigma, Theta, etc.. think of their college years and nothing else.Personally I think GM should stop naming their platforms in such recognizable (amongst internet forum goers) names... and be like the rest of the industry.. who have platforms that cause U to go to WIKIPEDIA to find out the names.

As usual you are worried about everything but what matters. Theta Premium is out of it's depth against models like the X5 and ML which would be fine other than GM's own stated mission that Cadillac is supposed to be the brand that deals with those offerings. Let me put it really simply for you, at best the SRX is an indirect competitor for the X3, GLK, and Q5 and a direct competitor for the RX. X5 and ML are completely off the radar for the new SRX.

Again, that leaves GM explaining how their BMW/Mercedes/Audi fighting brand has somehow found itself fighting the entry level Lexus offerings Buick is supposed to be dealing with. Your very accommodating reviews notwithstanding, Theta Premium simply wasn't meant to tackle prey that large.

Originally Posted by Cmicasa the Great XvX

20,787 BMW X5 sales versus 73,641 RX350 sales certainly shows me where a company in GM's situation needs to be with it's luxury cuv

And much like GM you are still missing the point. If Caddy is chasing Lexus so be it, where exactly does that leave Buick? The world only needs so many mainstream car companies.

Originally Posted by Cmicasa the Great XvX

Sorry.. but truth of the matter is that Lexus is all over the place. The LS460 certainly competes with the 7series and S-Class... the LX570 certainly competes with the Escalade, Range Rover, and GL450. The IS certainly competes with the 3 series and C-Class.

I never said other wise, Lexus competes against various luxury manufacturers, but they do compete against luxury car makers exclusively. GM apparently cannot decide who competes against what and just how luxury Buick is or isn't. GM is the one who pitched Buick against Lexus, not I. If they changed their mind then they need to explain to the world how their product plan will accommodate a Buick that is no longer tasked in that manner.

Originally Posted by Cmicasa the Great XvX

The fundemental differences that GM was talking about in relation to the Cadillac and Buick brands pretty much boils down to PRICE and PERFORMANCE. Even if Buick were to get a smaller CUV like the Saab 9-4X.. I'm pretty sure that it can be tuned to be softer and less sporty than than the SRX. which is damn sure a Sport tuned Luxo CUV. With a lil more juice... I guarantee would run with the X5 and even Cayenne. It damn sure handles as well.. at least in AWD config.

Have you ever even seen a Cayenne or X5? Wow. Frankly, the SRX isn't even a match for the Q5.

Originally Posted by Cmicasa the Great XvX

More BS

This is from C&D Review from 2007... almost 4 years after the SRX had been on the seen

Introduction
Eighth Place: Land Rover LR3 HSE
Seventh Place: Volkswagen Touareg V-6
Sixth Place: Volvo XC90 Sport
Fifth Place: Lexus GX470
Fourth Place: Mercedes-Benz ML350
Third Place: BMW X5 3.0si
Second Place: Cadillac SRX AWD V-8
First Place: Acura MDX Sport
http://www.caranddriver.com/comparis...xury-suvs.html

From Article:
We’ve loved Cadillac’s SRX since we first set foot in a prototype early in 2003. Later that year, an SRX won a C/D comparo, beating a Porsche Cayenne S, no less, likely the first time a Cadillac ever humbled anything conceived in Weissach. Then this chiseled-nose crossover went on to earn 5Best Truck honors — three times.



It lost to the MDX basically because the MDX was brand new.. and the MDX had slightly better overall performance.

As for why the SRX failed on the market place... I will use my wife's own words.. with pictures...

"It looks like a wagon.. and I'm American.. I don't wanna be seen in a wagon..." Cmicasa's Wife

Let me rehash, I said the problem with the SRX was GM's execution of the same and not the segment, to which you replied with a list of accolades the SRX won from auto journalists after which you point out that the SRX's problem is that it is effectively a wagon with a lot of ground clearance.

Think about this a second. Who made the SRX look like a wagon with a lot of ground clearance? That's right......GM. So given, this, would how the SRX looks be a part of the execution of the product? Exactly. GM's problem with the SRX was execution, and the problem with that execution, which I thought was obvious, is that the first gen SRX looks like a wagon with a lot of ground clearance.

As for the accolades GM won with the SRX, how did that translate into sales? Once again you, like GM, are far too worried with how the cars fare with the journalists and not nearly enough with whether or not people actually buy the cars.